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Putin Talks of Negotiation over Ukraine,

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I've made all my arguments on this topic already anyway.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Friday, 6 January 2023 3:55:56 PM
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Dear Armchair Critic,

I think it was wrong that you were told to shut up. You have as much right to post as anybody else. I appreciate that you feel now that you have done so.

Whatever happened in the past Putin's forces are now wrecking Ukraine, and many people have died on both sides. The fight has evolved into a proxy war between the West and Russia with mainly Ukraine civilians and soldiers and Russian soldiers suffering and dying.

Vietnam was also a proxy war as was the war in Spain before WW2. Sometimes proxy wars grow into wider conflicts. Sometimes they don't. All we can reasonably hope for is a stalemate - a temporary end to suffering. If there is more than one center of power on earth we either have conflict or stalemate until next the next conflict. If there is one center of power on earth we have tyranny.

E O Wilson wrote "Anthill". He described a war behind one anthill and another. Human wars don't in essence differ.
Posted by david f, Friday, 6 January 2023 6:22:30 PM
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"If there is more than one center of power on earth we either have conflict or stalemate until next the next conflict. If there is one center of power on earth we have tyranny."

That may just be one of the wisest, if not THE wisest comment I've heard since this conflict began.
Well done.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Friday, 6 January 2023 8:36:58 PM
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Exactly! What have the Romans ever done for us!
Posted by Fester, Friday, 6 January 2023 9:25:53 PM
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All right, but apart from the sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?
Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 7 January 2023 5:10:44 AM
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Dear Paul1405,

https://www.econlib.org/archives/2011/06/tacitus_peace_a.html

"One of Tacitus’ most famous lines is “They make a desert and call it peace.” What I didn’t realize until I read The Agricola is that Tacitus is quoting (or paraphrasing) Calgacus, an enemy of Rome. The full speech (chaps 30-32) is awesome. Highlight:

"These plunderers of the world [the Romans], after exhausting the land by their devastations, are rifling the ocean: stimulated by avarice, if their enemy be rich; by ambition, if poor; unsatiated by the East and by the West: the only people who behold wealth and indigence with equal avidity. To ravage, to slaughter, to usurp under false titles, they call empire; and where they make a desert, they call it peace.""

The US Confederacy under Jefferson Davis and the Nazis under Hitler also had impressive economies and social structures.

One measure of a society is how it treats those at the bottom. To be a slave in a southern plantation, a Jew in a gas chamber or a slave in a Roman salt mine are examples.
Posted by david f, Saturday, 7 January 2023 6:57:57 AM
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