Note I'm not saying peace, but its hoped that negotiation would lead to peace.

"Russia is ready to negotiate with all parties involved in the war in Ukraine but Kyiv and its Western backers have refused to engage in talks, President Vladimir Putin said in an interview aired on Sunday (Christmas Day)."

As the killing continues with little end to the war in sight, lets hope, and for those who pray, pray for peace. I'm not judging Russia, and I'm not judging Ukraine or the West on this, but peace should be the absolute paramount objective of all parties in this sickening war.

Paul is not judging! Or so he says. That's a first. At least he has started a new thread.

But Ukraine? That’s boring even to the most breathless commentators these days. I watched Tucker Carlson (yes, Paul, good old Fox News: a chance to use your favourite terms of abuse) complaining that the American geriatric and confused President was still throwing more of everything at Ukraine and hugging the ex-comedian while his own country was going down the gurgler. At least our own 35% leader is not going overboard on Ukraine, and seems concentrated on the real threat - Communist China - and not Russia, which is no threat to us. It's a pity though, that Ukrainian women are getting swimming lessons in Australia while their menfolk are fighting for their country.

Suppose China invaded and took parts of Australia, so that many Australians were forced to live under Chinese rule, cut off and under random murders, torture, looting and rape, including a million or so that were forcibly taken from their homes and "resettled" in China with documents that forbid them to leave their assigned town/village. Suppose some of these were your relatives.

Would you then agree to negotiate for peace with China?

The paramount objective in this sickening war should be to save the Ukrainian people and families who are trapped on the Russian side. No reason they should lose their homes either.

Hmm, where do I even begin.

Both sides want peace, but peace on their own terms.
Russias want Ukriane to denazify (The attitude taught to kids in school since 2014 that hates Russian speaking people - no different to the stuff Israel and Palestinians teach their kids) and the same attitude that had Ukraine bombing hospitals and schoolyards in Donbass for 8 years.
They had a chance for peace with the Minsk agreements but both Poroshenko and Merkel admitted they were never serious about implementing them, and instead bought time to build up military for more war.
And also demilitarize, i.e not able to join NATO.
- No different than the US expects with the Monroe Doctrine LOOK IT UP.
Since then, since Russia had to commit troops to war, it's not going to give up the territories taken.
It wants full recognition of the 4 territories as Russian, as well as denazify and demilitarise (i.e non NATO status) and if Ukraine doesnt agree, they will destroy whats left of it and take more territory as a buffer zone to protect the 4 territories from more and more long range weapons.
Ukriane wanted to use an innocent party to drive a truck full of fertilizer over the Crimea Bridge, and wanted to keep targetting the power lines of the Zaporizhia nuclear power plant, and drive a million people in Crimea of waterand blow up the Nordstream pipelines (Britain and M16 involved) so it took off the gloves and targetted Ukraines power infrastructure (also used for military transport) in response.

Why is Ameriaca sending billions upon billions - because overthrowing the country was THEIR project, their investment all to get rid of Putin, so they can chop the country up into weaker more manageable microstates that it controls, and so they can next encircle China.

Yuyutsu,
You're parroting western propaganda.
- yes that is a thing and exists exactly the same as our stupid warmongering side labels everything Russian propaganda.

I took a LIBERAL, ANTI WAR Protester to see the truth in Donbass, and THIS Happened!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OysQ7yQl_o
Watch this, it proves that what you are saying is lies, skip to 38 mins and see how those ' forcibly taken from their homes and 'resettled' with documents that forbid them to leave their assigned town/village' are ACTUALLY TREATED.

Everything you read is lies, but you're pro-Jew so would automatically be on the Ukrainian side, with all it's bias points of view.
4 Jews in charge of the Ukrainian nation. Zelensky, Shmyhal, Reznikov, Yermak. Pres, PM, Def, Staff.
http://youtu.be/dRfJNTeKEsw
Angelina Jolie, Sean Penn giving up his Oscar, Mila Kunis, Ben Stiller etc all visiting Ukraine or supporting Zelensky.
(Not being racist sorry, but just saying it how it is)
- All jews supporting Zelensky etc...

Russia is going on the offensive big time in the next week or so;
meanwhile it's happy to use Bakhmut as a Ukrainian death trap killing 8 to 1 and destroying their capacity to fight back
Ukraine fights for every inch of territory for propaganda wins.
Russia is slowly annihilating the Ukrainian military entirely on ground it chooses.
- Russia is happy to give up territory to maintain it's military force and save the lives of it's soldiers.
Ukraine continues to send its men into the meat-grinder to buy time, but it's only delaying the inevitable.

Meanwhile, Putin more or less apologised to the Russian people and military commanders last week for trying to make peace with the west, and noted that the West wants nothing less than the complete destruction and subjagation of the Russian Federation.

None of the western efforts to hurt Russia economically, and create a political crisis that would unseat Putin have worked.
It just made Russia and China stronger and hurt the west.

EXCLUSIVE Russia's state-owned RNRC to reinsure Russian oil shipments, sources say
http://www.reuters.com/business/energy/exclusive-russias-state-owned-rnrc-reinsure-russian-oil-shipments-sources-say-2022-06-10/

Russia is amassing a shadow fleet of tankers to avoid EU oil sanctions
http://qz.com/russia-is-amassing-a-shadow-fleet-of-tankers-to-avoid-e-1849853809

Russia's Power Machines completes first high-power gas turbine to replace imported equipment
http://www.reuters.com/article/russia-gasturbine/update-1-russias-power-machines-completes-first-high-power-gas-turbine-to-replace-imported-equipment-idUKL8N33G0Q5

Meanwhile you've got the same warmongering neocons like Lindsay Graham
calling for Putin to be assasinated and overthrown
Sen. Lindsey Graham's apparent call for Putin to be assassinated draws backlash
http://www.npr.org/2022/03/04/1084548984/lindsey-graham-putin

Lindsey Graham Says Ukraine War Won't End Unless Russians Take Out Putin
http://www.huffpost.com/entry/lindsey-graham-take-putin-out_n_63a437f2e4b0aae8bcb4c7cc

Which is now the only offramp they have...
While Russia has already taken protective steps against western lead NGO's
http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/russia-fsu/2015-10-06/putin-outs-ngos

The west has got nothing but lies and propaganda, and can't send any more weapons without reducing its own stockpiles of weapons.
UPDATE 1-Russia's Power Machines completes first high-power gas turbine to replace imported equipment

Meanwhile Britain and EU are becoming de-industrialised and their people are going to freeze without Russian energy;
- And the EU is starting to fracture in support for Ukraine.