Antiseptic: Matthew Johns lost his job because the organizations who employ him are trying to appeal to a family audience or something and they no longer see him as a fit public representative. Take it up with his employers.

SLJ - You make all good points, as usual. I see where you're coming from and I think I do persevere, sometimes more than I should.

However, the reason I do so is that some of the appalling and hateful nonsense that is posted is in print. The nasty clods to whom I reply might be determined in their hatred of women, but maybe others who glance at the posts won't be. (besides I like to maintain hope that a light will go on somwhere). If the statements aren't challenged; the assumption is that there is no counter argument.

Like everyone else I am busy and all but I will put up the counter arguments when I can rather than allow anti-female and anti-feminist lies to be perpetuated.

- well that's my position at the moment anyway. I can't rule out the possibility that at some point I will just call it a day. One never knows.

Btw: have you ever heard of anti-feminist bingo? (or some similar name). It's pretty funny. The posts on these boards often bring it to mind for me.

Ginx & Pynchme

I echo SJF's sentiments. Look who you are trying to argue with - not someone who is reasonable, who is sincere or sympathetic, but people who do little more than denigrate women on every thread that offers them to opportunity to do so. They contribute nothing; they feed on negativity.

As a sufferer of chronic illness I have to choose where to expend my energy and I do not waste too much with bullies of any sex. I will make my point and that is it. I would rather communicate with receptive people, than be emotionally drained by these human parasites.

Save your energy for the next article or start a new thread on a topic of your choosing.

Love to you all, will meet with you on other topics.

It says a lot about the egos of a few self-proclaimed 'feminists' that they think their views represent feminism or that feminists represent all, or even many, women.

Being questioned and being held to account for your 'take' of feminism is unreasonable? That is a good one!

If the plain vanilla version of feminism is concerned with equality of opportunity and equal treatment, none of the individual brands of 'feminism' being displayed here would qualify. In any event, why shouldn't the theory and practice of feminism be questioned, when it seeks to influence the political, social and economic lives of all citizens?

Rather than hide behind the convenient and much-abused cloak of 'feminism' why not stand up for your own views, however whacky they are? Or will that put you at risk of having to defend some rather unusual personal world views and prejudices? It is about being able to make choices and being responsible for those choices, right?

That is the problem with 'movements' isn't it, they can be comfy hiding places and refuges for all sorts of 'off' and way-out views. Speaking of which, there are very few people out there, men or women, who will cop the ratbaggery and zealotry of radical feminism, particularly gender feminism.

"But I believe the contrary is true. Genuine discussion of feminist issues ended in the 1970s when one school came to dominate and moved to silence competing views both within the movement and outside."

Wendy McElroy

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,197550,00.html

"Tammy Bruce's book "The New Thought Police" (2001) received media buzz as a former insider's expose of how PC feminists smear their intellectual opponents in an attempt to silence and discredit them. For example, Bruce described how PC feminists led a campaign of defamation against the conservative Dr. Laura Schlessinger by misrepresenting her as homophobic"

I suppose Wendy McElroy is also misogyinistic? Labelling someone as misogynistic is a good way of trying to discount what that person is saying.

pynchme:"Matthew Johns lost his job because the organizations who employ him are trying to appeal to a family audience or something and they no longer see him as a fit public representative."

Matthew Johns lost his job because the New Wowsers who now dominate the Feminist Axis and the media have got the NRL scared. The NRL rushed to tell Channel 9 to sack him because they're terrified of what that Feminist Axis can do to them with a media hatchet job. In other words, they succumbed to extortion. Hardly something to be proud of, I'd have thought, but whatever floats your boat.

Matt Johns's brother Andrew lost his job when it was found he'd used drugs. Do you think Jodi Gordon is going to lose hers? Take your time...

I'm chuffed to see that once again my arguments are sufficiently convincing that SJF felt the need to jump in and try to shut down the conversation. Poor thing, if only those nasty men didn't ask questions and everyone just did as they're told she'd be as happy as a pig in poo. Oink, oink.

Fractelle, all you have to do to stop me posting on this topic is to provide a genuinely convincing counter-argument to my own. I won't hold my breath, because all you've thrown up to date is fluff.

James, that comment is spot-on. The radfems are desperate to avoid genuine discussion of the topic because it might affec their capacity to milk the system. As any milk-maid knows, you have to keep the herd calm if you want the most cream...

Sorry not true,Spent 3 decades on the recieving end of abuse, to which started at the age of 12 years being sexually abused by my stepfather.Because I decide later after finding out that he was also hurting my siblings, I told the insidious secret to my mother. Instead of showing any concern for myself went out of her way to alienate me from siblings,family members,partners and eventually my own children.The manipulation,coercion,emotional blackmail endured over the years set the path for social communities,authorities and legal system to sweep it under the carpet.Denied my parental rights to protect my children,hard to believe the welfare system helped her abuse my children.

Yes I am more than angry,because it still continues today.All the ignorance over the years allowed my mother,vendictive sister to be the best persons to raise another daughter,what is sicker than sick,my daughter also fell victim to being sexually abused by my stepfather.I had the putrid thing charged so i could get some sort of closer to the whole insidious thing.For my efforts my family,recent ex partner,adult children, ex husband,spent 2 years causing enormous amounts of stress,deliberately set out to sabotaging the possibility of having the peadophile locked away.

The DPP sat back and watched all the abuse and ignored my cries for help,did nothing to help stop it or even look into it.I missed out on a multitude of oppitunities over the years due to the ongoing abuse.

Missed out on an education because stepfather decided to upgrade to a couple of school friends,i guess one could imagine the garbage i went through. I am tied of being ignored, mentally-physically-medically-financially-legally abused and Parentrally Alienated from my children,grandchildren and losing partners, I am tired of the media ignoring me every time i try to tell my story,the government departments.

I am not perfect know one is, but i sure as hell did not deserve any of the abuse dished out and still is dished out. The system has failed me and I would and more than deserve some answers, to why this was and has been ignored.