Yabby

That's a very sad story and you have struck on a significant point:

When and how to interfere? This is always a conflicting issue. The best one can do in the case you cited is to be there as a friend for the young girl.

I can only hope that your support of this young child will be some sort of foundation for her in dark times. Dreadful that a woman should feel so needy that she would sacrifice her child. Another reason to raise our children with a strong sense of self. No one should be so dependent on another.

shattered.dreams

I too thank you for sharing your story here. I know what it is like to endure in silence. At least on a forum like this one can express their story in anonymity. The entire point of the article is that the victim is not to blame for the behaviour of the abuser.

Antiseptic

Antiseptic

At the risk of being censored by OLO, I really have to say that you are the most hateful, vindictive personality I’ve ever had to deal with online.

Instead of discrediting feminism, as you seem to think you’re doing, your undisciplined verbiage just reveals anti-feminism’s underlying immaturity as a movement that has nothing to offer other than petty reaction.

You think that your hatred and venom are necessary rhetorical tools for putting fools in their place. But the truth is those ‘fools’ just feel sorry for you. There are few creatures more pathetic than those who drive people away, yet tell themselves their solitary existence is the result of their specialness.

You are a very pathetic man. In fact, you are a disgrace to all that is fine and decent in manhood. If I am banned from OLO for saying that, it will be more than worth it.

Ah SJF, your last little outburst about Antiseptic, simply shows
your own lack of ability to separate emotion from reason, so tells
us alot about you.

I seem to recall that it was you who wrote that as advocates of
feminism, you should defend your claims, rightly or wrongly.

Robert wrote a great response about a "fair and just society",
but that was ignored.

So Antispectic has every right to express his opinions about the
extremes of the feminist brigade like yourself. Most females do
in fact show some judgement, but not in your case.

Lets face it, the answers lie somewhere in the middle for all of us,
but for every extremist response at one end, such as yourself,
somebody is going to respond at the other extreme.

As you have admitted, a fair and just society is not what you are
about, but one where you are pushing your personal barrow to the
extreme, rightly or wrongly.

Yabby

'So Antispectic has every right to express his opinions about the extremes of the feminist brigade like yourself.'

Really? Then in that case, so have I the right to express MY opinion about the EXTREMES of the anti-feminist brigade like YOURself and your sceptecemic friend. Heaven knows, we've had to put up with your (and his) nauseatingly condesending, repetitive, childish, infantile venom long enough on this forum.

How's this for an 'opinion'...

Anti-feminism is a movement of child-men who are stuck in a 4-year-old’s psyche and try to pass their infantile rage off as as 'criticism' … and then wonders why no one is fooled.

To this movement of child-men, women are not women, certainly not human beings like themselves. They are manifestations of their own big, bad Mummies. Big bad mummies are not women with lives and needs and opinions; they are monsters who smack and humiliate and belittle and withdraw their love from frightened, needy little boys like yourself.

This is the gender baggage that the child-mens movement carries with it as it repeatedly and tirelessly lashes out with its metaphorically tiny little fists and feet at everything the big bad Mummy feminist movement ever does, says or writes.

These permanently frightened child-men have no sense of proportion or self-regulation when confronted by ANY form of organised women’s activity, however innocuous. Nor can they ever appreciate the depth and breadth of their own obsessive fear of any women who dare to support and empower one another - after all, if big, bad Mummy can smack and humiliate and belittle and withdraw her love, what can a whole worldwide movement of big, bad mummies do?

Thankfully, most men don’t have this infantile rage against women. In fact, many of these grown-up (as opposed to child-) men are able to decently converse with feminists about the male dominant system they grew up with, that gave them both too much privilege and too much responsibility.

To the narrow-minded, totally self-centred world of the child-mens movment, whose only approach is to react and destroy, this is incomprehensible. Just stay that way.

I cant quite put my finger on it but when I gave an example of how women were once not held capable for their own criminal behaviour, Pynchme then wrote,

"The history of criminal law; the way it was/is interwoven with socio-cultural values and perceptions of femininity and female culpabiity, are a little more complex than your Angry Harry site portrays it."

Now feminists often cherry pick historical facts to support their position of how women were opposed or denied legal justice.

I posted a quote from Wendy McElroy and have quoted other female authors in the past, yet I get accused of being Misogynistic. I beleive McElroy has a point when she wrote, "Genuine discussion of feminist issues ended."

Whilst there are many different types of feminism, and heaps of books. Daphne Patai in Professing Feminism also points out that those who dare to challange feminist dogma do so at their peril.

As too Erin Pizzey "Maybe it’s past time, however, that she got over her disenchantment and moved forward."

Now imagine what would happen if one us blokes said the same thing to you women.

Yet we get a rehashment of how disadvantage women were in the past, such as being denied the vote etc. So isn't it about time that your gender got over it and moved on?

"Many careers have been ruined by shelter advocates resisting change or accountability for their programs. Some questioning these programs have even suffered threats of physical harm or specious lawsuits."
http://pandora.nla.gov.au/pan/38333/20060423-0000/www.kittennews.com/cgi-bin/kn_opinion/opinion6c38.html?topic=999927

Yabby

Well said.

Smart, independent women would also ask, "Who are these present day feminists, and what makes them think they speak for me?"

Most women happen to like and trust the men in their lives. Shock, horror, many women are happy and love their lives, their husbands, their homes and their children.

As regards 'Claire', most women are too aware and emotionally mature to fall for the cries of "Poor me" after the event and they would be inclined to put the 'Claires' of the world into the same basket as the celebrity jocks they bed. Not that they only bed jocks of course - there are plenty of other celebs around who are also valued for their (sexual) scalps.

I would hazard a guess that most 'Claire' supporters were male and probably old at that. Men can be so easily led into mounting their white steeds to protect young damsels in distress. I can't see many mothers falling for it though.

Still, it is all grist for the mill for those who have a vested interest in the victim industry, especially if more people fall for the the 'all women are victims' rhetoric.

If anyone has a right to feel 'violated and degraded' it is the dumbed-out viewer of Oz current affairs shows (and their publicity stunts, thanks Tracey!).