SJF: << Anti-feminism is a movement of child-men who are stuck in a 4-year-old’s psyche and try to pass their infantile rage off as as 'criticism' … and then wonders why no one is fooled. >>

Well said indeed. As an adult-man, one reason I don't engage much with them much lately here is that I know that it's pointless to engage in abstract argument with 4 year olds. I have a beautiful 4 year old grandson who named his Labrador puppy after a volcano, since he is obsessed by them. I know that it's best for me to allow him to babble on about Popocatapetl, Mt Fuji and Pinatubo, because at his stage of development it's just wonderful that he's fascinated by the power of nature and knows lots of big words because he reads books about volcanoes and dinosaurs.

It's rather like the obviously miserable men who dominate any OLO discussion that touches on gender, and their obsession with women and feminism, actually.

I know that my grandson's world will eventually expand beyond volcanoes and dinosaurs, but I'm not so optimistic about our resident exemplars of arrested emotional development.

SJF you beat me to it with Yabby. Yabby I was most interested in the compassion you expressed for the child (I was wondering if you fronted the abuser) Anyway then you wrecked it with your scowl at SJF for her well written and moderate expression.

Antiseptic, James and Co, - Yes, exactly the response I expected re: Erin Pizzy. I believe that she has wanted to do good and has achieved some; but that you both heap approval on their work, while at the same time expressing extreme contempt and disregard for women (and men and children, regardless of how much or how horribly they’re exploited), casts doubt on the value of their work in obtaining justice for anyone. They reflect an extremely conservative view; Erin Pizzy’s is somewhat understandable given her privileged origins and age; Wendy Mcs may reflect one of her main employing organizations; if you bothered to look into it. Extreme conservatism and feminism are rarely comfortable bedmates; the former (though I am sure you can’t see it) happy to exploit women, men and children in the interests of the stock market.

Surely you’ve both heard the expression, “participants in their own oppression.” For example, just in case you don’t know or understand that term – take a mother who assists with an honour killing. Those women no doubt object to anyone (like other women) fighting to change the socio-cultural climate that perpetuates such a practice. Pats on the head from brothers; father; spouse – constantly reassure such a woman that she is the ‘good’ woman. In similar fashion go Wendy and Erin; and youselves: Unaware of your own oppression and of your role in reproducing an exploitative system.

I think Wendy and Erin’s main claim to feminism is that at least they continue to discuss and raise discussion of a certain world view. However, Erin Pizzy and Angry Harry coinciding in the same house is to me just a reproduction of past dynamics that offered no reprieve from injustice

Btw: Antiseptic; as far as I recall, the only information I have ever provided is the most up to date available to me.

Also: As long as I see an endless stream of victims of sexual abuse and violence and people like yourselves trying to bury their anguish; there will be nothing for me to get over. The problem remains in our present (for example; the situation to which Yabby referred). Btw: feminism has brought such problems to light and offered ways of escape; while all that the opposition has done since is try to silence that awareness. Tell me what solutions you have to offer. James - what does WendyMc offer by way of solutions? What do you propose to help children in these situations ?

Pynchme, why is Erin Pizzey's background such an issue? From my understanding a few of the earlier feminists came from some very privileged backgrounds. Erin referred to them as trust fund bunnies.

Do I hold victims in contempt?

Oh you know sooo much don't you!

The other day I saw a cyclist who was asian being abused by a motorist and I went to him to see if he was OK.(the cyclist).

You talk about justice, where I would like to know is how do we prevent these things from happening in the first place, so that there is no need for blood thirsty lynch mob mentality individuals.

SJF, Pynchme

Yabby often surprises, he will vehemently denigrate any woman who dares to question gender relationships yet make a clearly heartfelt, caring post regarding a little girl. I wish he could've informed us of the outcome, whether he involved himself in the life of the little girl he described. I know he is also in favour of reproductive rights for women. Yet, instead he chose to support A-septic who never contributes anything positive about women and describes any woman who has the temerity to criticise him as being part of the "hairy legged brigade"; whatever that means.

I think it is time to remind A-septic et al, that the title of this article is "It is never the VICTIM'S fault". They appear to have confused it as being "It is never the woman's fault" which, of course is untrue; women can behave as badly as men.

We can also behave as well as men; but if you only read the posts of the afore mentioned, you'd think that women were solely responsible for every catastrophe that ever afflicted the human race. Absurd, as others have noted, very childish.

A-septic, C-flower, JamesH; we get it you don't like any women who assert themselves or present POV's in contrary to your own. Do you believe that continued denigration will silence any who dare to differ? I will comment when there is something worthwhile commenting on, such as Yabby's or shattered.dreams' stories, or when inspired by other's comments. But continued negativity, personal insult and denigration is not worth my time.

BTW, JamesH; what was the point you were trying to make with your last post? That violence occurs to anyone? We know that, that is why we have been discussing the victims here on this thread, because so often fear prevents victims from speaking out. Did you speak to the abusive motorist who was harassing the cyclist, or did you feel afraid to get involved? As many people would - no disgrace at all and I am pleased to know that you checked to see if the cyclist was OK.

SJF:"Big bad mummies are not women with lives and needs and opinions; they are monsters who smack and humiliate and belittle and withdraw their love from frightened, needy little boys like yourself."

Oh dear, you're really hurting, aren't you honey? I suggest a nice chat to your Counsellor, making sure she understands that she musn't ask questions. Off you go, there's a good little thing.

JamesH:"isn't it about time that your gender got over it and moved on?"

You know that's never going to happen as long as the Wowserish dowagers continue to get rewarded for valuing feminism over professionalism. Of course, in the current economic climate, the funding for their continued employment is likely to be in short supply for a while, so some of them might have to "take a package", poor things. I wonder if SJF's rage might stem from finding out she's in the firing line?

Pomeranian:"pant, pant, pant, can someone pat me now"

Down you get little fella. There are real dogs who need attention.

pynchme:"the only information I have ever provided is the most up to date available to me"

Yet I never have any trouble finding much more recent data with brief google searches. I guess men are just naturally better at that sort of thing, eh? Or could it be that your list only includes work that supports your own preferred conclusion?

pynchme:"Surely you’ve both heard the expression, “participants in their own oppression.” "

LOL, it's very like the phrase "self-hating Jew" that the rabid Zionists apply to any Jew who disagrees in any way with the "Israel good, rest of the world bad" view of the rabid Zionists. Nice one.

You lot are perfect followers, aren't you? Not a genuine original thought of your own to be seen anywhere.