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It is never the victim's fault : Comments
By Dannielle Miller, published 25/5/2009Our blame-the-victim mentality is one of the main reasons many women do not report sexual assault.
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Posted by Seeker, Monday, 8 June 2009 10:53:46 AM
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gunk:" " Still nothing to report. Hothouse plants grow so well in old-cow manure too... Posted by Antiseptic, Sunday, 7 June 2009 8:08:00 PM Here I bow to your wisdom. 'Old cow manure' IS your territory. After all, blowfly's wallow in it,-and boy! doesn't it show? That's why I referred to methane elsewhere). ______________ Thank Heavens for the Jodi Gordon thing! It turned up in the nick of time! More fodder for the mantra rant! The weak and feeble 'hot house' contingent will just have to cope I guess, sniffle, sniffle. Sorry;-or is it ladettes? Sheesh. (At least it gave Seeker two choices!) Cont'd-hopefully today.. _________________________________________ Posted by Ginx, Monday, 8 June 2009 3:35:06 PM
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Pynchme: I only knew that the Gordon thing had surfaced here, because of your response to it. I've long since stopped reading the mantra rants. You read one..., you've read them all.. I only respond to the digs now. (Except in one case where I look forward to some interesting interchanges...). More power to HHF's (hot-house flowers..), for attempting to get through to the OLO Boys Club. I don't ever recall OLO being this way when I was here before. Maybe it was, but I never saw it. A Boys Club will see ANY defence of women as feminism-not justice/fairness;-feminism. The OBC (OLO Boys Club) don't see their continual attacks on ALL women as anything but normal. Particularly when they were endorsed by Graham Young, when HE responded to female responses to him;-as a 'feminist rant'. In my view female members-who have chosen (quite correctly) to defend Clare and NinaF-are fair game as a DIRECT result of this. Isn't it interesting that when MEN behave like they have here,-there was no category for it?? THAT is why I decided on Mantra Rant. __________________________ Without question this HAS come down to who wins. Even if I am still on these three threads up to Christmas and into next year, I will continue. I will continue because to do otherwise will send a clear message to the majority of current male members that they can put female members 'in their place' anytime they want. I cannot and will not allow that, so I am in for the long haul, and frankly I hope a couple of you female members will join me. If we allow this male domination of OLO..........,which IS what this is all about.........; then OLO will lose much of its female membership. I have yet to be convinced that this is not the ultimate goal... Posted by Ginx, Monday, 8 June 2009 9:41:08 PM
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pynchme, I must confess to not reading tht article, but relying on the news reports, which never mentioned the presence of a man, other than to mention that she had been using drugs with a "bikie" earlier.
The point still stands, however: if I, as a man, got drunk and called 000 with no reason, I'd be likely in the frame for public nuisance or false complaint. If I was found to have a dangerous drug of addiction in my possession, I'd be charged and the police would be making statements about the importance of not abusing the service. Andrew Johns didn't even commit a crime and he lost his job. It's yet another example of the double standard that applies thanks to the fairy-tale ideology of feminism. Gunk(twitching uncontrollably):" " Time for a bex and a good lie down, dear. The strain of producing all that manure is obviously not good for old cows. Posted by Antiseptic, Tuesday, 9 June 2009 5:59:45 AM
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Antiseptic, it's a bit hysterical to be claiming victim status on the basis of a scenario that didn't happen and no evidence.
Btw: I'd never heard of these people until whatshisname posted the link; I don't know why you blokes find them interesting. I don't know what year this ws drawn up; but consider this: <"... abusive calls and repetitive nuisance calls to these numbers. Such behaviour will be punished by three years jail. Thirteen million calls are made each year to the emergency triple zero call service, however it is estimated that less than 10 per cent of these actually relate to an emergency.> http://www.darylwilliams.dcita.gov.au/Article/0,,0_7-2_4011-4_119352,00.html Do you really imagine that thousands of gaolings are going to happen because someone makes a mistake? I think the police who respond will decide when mischief is afoot. Also, if men are as victimized as you're trying to portray, what's Mark Judge doing still walking around with this history: <" Judge will be sentenced ... later this month after pleading guilty to one count of detaining for advantage with actual bodily harm and one of detaining occasioning actual bodily harm. They relate to the alleged kidnapping of a man from Llandilo, near Penrith, in April 2005. .. detained the man with the intention of gaining $25,000. He is also to appear before a judge in Newcastle ... for breach of a suspended sentence. He is currently serving a two-year suspended jail sentence after pleading guilty to assaulting a different man in Newcastle in 2005. Judge also pleaded guilty to threatening a female prosecution witness. For those two charges he was given a two-year suspended sentence, which requires good behaviour. But last December he was convicted of hindering a male police officer in Potts Point, resulting in a $750 fine. As a result, he faces the possibility of his suspended sentence being revoked or varied. "> There is no point to be made; don't be silly. Ginx: I am with you; I will be around as much as I can. Forgive any unforeseeable absences, but I will do my best to make a presence. Posted by Pynchme, Tuesday, 9 June 2009 6:55:39 AM
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Ginx, Pynchme
Ginx: ‘… I am in for the long haul, and frankly I hope a couple of you female members will join me.’ Pynchme: ‘Ginx: I am with you; I will be around as much as I can…’ I respect your tenacity, but I maintain a diametrically opposite stance when dealing with the OLO boys club – i.e. I believe in leaving the discussion once it's turned toxic. Sometimes I check back to see if I made the right decision and, so far, I believe I always have. I choose to refrain from the ‘long haul’ approach for a number of reasons. Firstly, you can’t change the nature of the beast. There is an equivalent bullying faction on all the threads, not just the gender ones. The subject may differ but the methodology is the same. Secondly, the long-haul approach does not distinguish between those boys-club posters who are reasonable and those who are toxically dysfunctional. If anything, it gives the latter far more time and energy than they deserve. The long-haul approach just feeds the toxic posters’ oxygen, because all they really want is attention. Leave them alone and they’ve got nothing to feed off – except each other. Thirdly, my own time is precious. There are so many OLO posters of both genders who continue to make worthwhile contributions. By spending excess time on the toxic posters, I underrate the contributions of the genuine posters – as well as my own. Fourthly, and most importantly, feminism stands on its own merit. One either gets it or one doesn’t – it is not something that can be patiently drip-fed into unreceptive minds. If society needs what feminism has to offer at a certain point in time and via a certain set of social circumstances, then feminism triumphs – regardless of how feminists 'behave' or what feminists 'say'. On each gender thread, a certain quota of sound, reasonable posts get aired before the toxic posters complete their sabotage – and I believe that is what really matters, not who wins or hangs on the longest. Posted by SJF, Tuesday, 9 June 2009 11:11:12 AM
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If Judge was a gentleman, then what did Stokes do to this poor girl?
I thought cocaine was illegal before reading this. Not so sure now.