Are you lot through with trading insults with each other? Or do you have a few more rounds to go?

Fractell post an interesting bit on Power.

So any one for a debate, or do you just want to trade insults?

To be honest I first thought it might have been written by Michael Flood.

<. In recognising the importance of other forms of power, we should not deny the phenomenon of institutionalised gender power, nor of class and state power. Rather, we should explore how gender power relations can be transformed in local struggles by paying attention to the subjectivities that may influence these power relations at the everyday level of social relations.>

Now the author ignores the fact, that violence in particular male violence is often associated with substance abuse, we have mental illness and acquired brain injury as other contributing factors. Things like concussion can change a persons behaviour.

Students of animal behaviour "It me or the dog" will know that a frightened dog is more likely to bite. Failing to learn what is known as impulse control, I think also maybe a contributing factor in violence.

Generally it is accepted that human violence is about power and control, but just maybe it is about a sense of powerlessness and loss of control and being violent is about trying to regain some sense of control.

This article kind of reflects earlier feminist thinking where marriage was seen a patriarchial construct designed to keep women oppressed.

<Similarly, the standard feminist account of women’s position under the law is that they were systematically disadvantaged, and only disadvantaged. Yet Hughes reveals that English women were completely exempt from criminal responsibility. As a feminist, how can she explain this?>
http://hereticalsex.blogspot.com/2008/10/accidental-heroine.html

"Are you lot through with trading insults with each other? Or do you have a few more rounds to go?" (JH)

This always amuses me. The tactic of 'you lot' which so smoothly removes its author from being a participant to being a wise observer!

The answer (of course) is up to you, and those who have posted in a like manner.....

JamesH - The history of criminal law; the way it was/is interwoven with socio-cultural values and perceptions of femininity and female culpabiity, are a little more complex than your Angry Harry site portrays it.

One of the main points is that women have generally been punished harshly for non-conformity to dominant views of acceptable femininity; but let off lightly if they conformed ie: portrayed themselvs as frail, weak and morally dependant.

In some situations the spouse or father was in charge of punishment; and asylums (no better than prisons) were often used as a means of social control over women.

<"Of course there are cases where apparent leniency is shewn to the woman, such as the rule which holds a wife free from criminal responsibility if the crime be committed in the husband’s presence. But this privilege of exemption is based on the assumption that in such a case "she acted thus being in constant and well grounded fear, stronger than the fear naturally inspired by the law." A very interesting admission on the part of the law of the power of chastisement and authority vested in husbands, but not exactly a conception of matrimony tending to increase the selfrespect and dignity of wives.">
https://bora.uib.no/bitstream/1956/3118/8/The_ABC_of_votes_for_women.pdf

- and this is most interesting to read; with some controversial points:

http://eprints.lse.ac.uk/5613/1/WPS05-2007Lacey.pdf

Btw: also check out fairness in law re: prostitution; inheritance and child custody.

gunk(even more incoherently than usual):""

Still nothing to see here. Sad, really.

JamesH:"Generally it is accepted that human violence is about power and control,"

The issue is who is in control. Our western society has always given women enormous freedom from responsibility, other than the historically terrible responsibility of childbirth, which killed so many women. That is now a solved problem medically-speaking and as a consequence many women are now becoming "dowagers", with a long life to look forward to. It is that fact, more than any other that is at the root of feminism, I suspect. The dowager is a respected figure in our culture, having demonstrated her toughness by surviving through terrible risks. The modern dowager hasn't done anything of the sort, of course, having taken full advantage for her whole life of the cultural predisposition to treat young women as less disposable than men and the Feminist ideology that has hijacked it and so a new set of trials she can claim to have survived is invented, centring on the myth that all men are bastards (except the "nice" ones, of course").

What I find interesting in much of the discussion around this topic is that women are still acculturated to the concept of the "princess and the frog", by which I mean that they expect to be able to change their chosen mate into their own vision of perfection, regardless of the "parlous" state the "wicked witch" (their prospective mother-in-law) has left him in. In much of the feminist rhetoric this is extended to include all males, who would all become "handsome princes" if only they'd allow themseves to be saved by the "beautiful princesses" with whom they'd live "happily ever after".

If the "frogs" fail to respond in the approved manner to the "kisses" they're obviously merely base animals and not worthy of the attention of the "princesses" other than as things to be kept out of the "house" of state affairs.

Feminism - making ideology out of fairy tales for 100 years...

This discussion is not so much about footballers and their groupies as it is about look at me feminism (thanks Ginx and Antiseptic). It’s not about the joys or otherwise of group sex, nor the morality of multiple partners in quick succession (with however much homoeroticism on display).

It is that last superfluous man, who reframes the argument, and reshapes our social conscience. Feminism … you gotta love it.

Yeah right,..thanks Seeker,...I think.

Feminism, feminism, feminism!!

Mantra, mantra, mantra!! (I put that in because you inadvertently left it out.......didn't you?)
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I'm curious,-does ANYBODY bother with septicemia's post's?