Yvonne you are clearly flailing about now.

I never said my experience/education was superior to yours. I said your experiences don’t make you more of an expert than anyone else. It was you who claimed exclusive ownership of the facts.

As I’ve said, I have evidence to back up my fear that terrorists will kill as many innocent civilians as they can. They have already started. Your best case to prove your point is Haneef, who was sent home to his wife and family.

Again you compare Australia with dictators and tyrants. You say you have lived under totalitarian rule, yet you make these preposterous statements about one of the most free countries on Earth.

The Chinese execute more people than any other country on the planet. North Korea has millions of its people in prison camps, including all the extended family of the alleged dissident. In Iran, men throw acid in the faces of women who are not wearing a veil. Mugabe has terrorised his country, killing or jailing anyone who gets in his way. But we are the same as these people because we told Haneef to go home. Really

I am not petrified of dying Yvonne. I do, however worry for my daughter.

I detest rape. My point was that for feminists like yourself, terrorism would be a FAR BIGGER deal if the perpetrators weren’t killing people but were raping them. My point was, that if that was the case, there would be tanks on every corner and all men would be suspects.

The soft-lefts hatred of America is so strong that they are prepared to put other innocents at risk, rather than be seen as participating in the war on terror. Some are so far in denial that they will tell you with a straight face that terrorism isn’t a problem. It’s a gov’t construct to make us fearful so they can take away our rights and turn the west into a fascist dictatorship. Such people are still looking for UFOs and believe the Americans faked the moon landing. GET REAL

'My point was that for feminists like yourself, terrorism would be a FAR BIGGER deal if the perpetrators weren’t killing people but were raping them.'
Paul, how on Earth did you come to the above two conclusions?

And where exactly did I compare Australia to totalitarian dictatorships? If you still did not get my point I'll explain it again.

A free and democratic society like Australia does not just happen. We do not live in this society just by accident. It takes the will of the people to keep it so. It takes the vigilance of the citizens to keep it so. If you think this view irrelevant than you do not understand how a democratic nation like Germany became a fascist nation.

We are responding to an article not about Haneef the man himself, but about the law that was used in his case and the use of executive powers. It is about principles, processes and procedures.

It is simply not relevant whether any of us are emotionally attached to Haneef the good guy or Haneef the terrorist. We have Courts of law to determine the guilt or non-guilt of criminals.

Are you comfortable with ministers seemingly interfering with the legal process? It seems to be occurring more frequently lately. Not only in this case

'soft-left'. You seem to like your invention Paul, but it is a little repetitious..

'hatred of America'? Can I suggest you look a little closer to Americans themselves. They don't have a 'hatred of America'; but they do have a 'hatred' of their current Administration as do I, and many hundreds of thousand others.

Interestingly, some Republican's are slowly backing away from the central core....,are they 'soft-left' too?

“I do not want to live in a nation reminiscent of China, or Nth Korea, or Iran, or Saudi Arabia, or Zimbabwe. “

That is where you compare Australia with totalitarianism. Later you suggest that unless we are hyper-vigilant we will fall into the clutches of fascism, just like Germany. It is highly mischievous of you to suggest that you were not drawing direct comparisons.

Again I dispute your simplistic assertion that Germany became a totalitarian state because the people weren’t careful about their freedoms. Totalitarianism is a German tradition. Von Hindenburg turned the Weimar Republic into an autocratic state in the late 20’s early 30”s. Totalitarianism was a basic tenet of the Nazi ideology. Germans wanted this type of strong leadership to pull them out of the depression and regain their honour after their stab in the back at Versailles. “Ein volk, ein reich, ein fuhrer” was the motto. To pretend people misunderstood what they were voting for is fanciful in the extreme.

I don’t consider someone who comes to this country as a migrant and then assists in acts of terrorism a criminal. That person has committed treason and they do not deserve the same treatment as common criminals. Don’t get me wrong, I am not saying that Haneef is guilty. As far as I am concerned the court did their job. But the minister was also within his rights to cancel the visa of a person suspected of associating with terrorists.

If you don’t like ministerial discretion then vote for a party who will repeal it. Simple

Ginx

I can’t claim ownership of the term soft-left unfortunately, however I find it appropriate. Your and anyone else’s hatreds are irrelevant. I don’t care how many people like a particular idea.

That you would reserve your hatred for bush and co, and stay silent on people like Bin Laden, Hussein, Mugabe, Kim Jong il etc is a perfect example of what I mean when I say soft-left.

The soft-left care more about symbols than people. Like putting a higher price on saying ‘sorry’, than protecting a child from abuse.

"Von Hindenburg turned the Weimar Republic into an autocratic state in the late 20’s early 30”s."

Huh?

What have you been smoking?

"Ginx

I can’t claim ownership of the term soft-left unfortunately, however I find it appropriate. Your and anyone else’s hatreds are irrelevant. I don’t care how many people like a particular idea.

That you would reserve your hatred for bush and co, and stay silent on people like Bin Laden, Hussein, Mugabe, Kim Jong il etc is a perfect example of what I mean when I say soft-left.

The soft-left care more about symbols than people. Like putting a higher price on saying ‘sorry’, than protecting a child from abuse.
Posted by Paul.L, Monday, 20 August 2007 11:40:46 PM"

What a silly twisted boy you are Paul!

.................how do you KNOW WHAT my opinion is on the sorry bunch you are quoting?

You DON'T know because I have not discussed my views there at all...;
because I have followed the subject of this thread.

You 'don't care how many people like a particular idea'??

Really? Then why are you getting yourself so worked up?

( How interesting that the only name you did not credit with a capital;-was Bush....)