OPEN LETTER TO POPE from IMAM'S.

I had a read of it. Typical Islamic 'spin' which quickly mentions the 'Christian friendly' verses, such as 'no compulsion in religion' etc but not a syllable of 'ALLAHS CURSE BE ON THEM' .. 'may Allah destroy them' (Quran 9:30)

That one verse (along with the similar hadith where Mohammad repeatedly curses Christians and Jews on his death bed) are definitive about how Islam truly regards Christians (and Jews)

INTERPRETATION. This is crucial. If Christians were cursed because:
-They broke a treaty.
-Had murdered someone.
-Were telling lies.
-Were immoral.

etc, one could understand them being 'cursed' with a degree of legitimacy. But we are cursed and our destruction is called for NOT for any of those reasons, but

-due to the fact that we believe Christ is Son of God.

The end result of this is, that there is no other possible understanding of Islam's regard for Christians than that provided by this verse. Individual Muslims may be friendly and social, but "Islam"...thats the critical bit...the motherload, the refined plutonium, has a different view.

CURSED FOR ALL TIME. This verse does not curse or invite destruction on particular Christians at a specific time or location, it does so for all time.... for as long as we believe in Christ as Son of God, "Islam" wishes to destroy us.

So, while I can agree that the integration of 'moderate/nominal' muslims is quite possible, the danger is that their Imams will drag out the 'May Allah destroy them' verse at the 'appropriate time' which of course is when they have more and more power.

Hitler murdered 6 million Jews based on a wrong interpretation of Jesus cleansing the temple of money changers. How much MORE will Islam seek to destroy Christians when such destruction is based on a CORRECT interpretation of the Quran?

CONCLUSION:

-Moderate Muslims.... basically integratable (but in reality spiritual time bombs waiting to be primed by scorching oratory)

-Islam as a faith....totally incompatable.

Commenting on Leigh's comments:

1. Leigh, the first comment was excellent!! It was based on a fallacy in the article "... we will see Australian Muslims, like the Irish, German, Italian, Greek, Vietnamese and Chinese before them, become another colourful tile in the modern Australian mosaic."

You are right: "And so the ignorance continues. This author compares a religion (Islam) with nationalities (Irish, German, Italian, Greek, Vietnamese and Chinese). "

Agreed. Agreed. A religion is not a nationality.
Please can people wake up to this fact. And Islam is not 'any old religion'. It has some fairly nasty directives inbuilt via Mohammed's most recent comments.

2. Leigh, the privatised faith thing is not something most Christians could go along with, and certainly not members of Islam. The loud early morning call to prayer, waking everybody in the vicinity, is certainly not a private matter. (Ringing a bell at 10 am for Christian churches is not mandatory. They can even negotiate, and refrain)

Belief issues in actions, and even quiet Christians seek to contribute society based upon belief. So it is never private. It affects society. And lots of Australians want to be able to eat ham sandwiches in any council meeting they choose to have.

3. Many of the other nationalities mentioned have Christian foundations, and do not violently object to the claim that Jesus is the Son of God, but rather confess it is so.
(Most Chinese and Vietnamese folks can live with a Christian founded culture without feeling compelled to change it!) Not so Islam.

Please BOAZ David no religion is going to express itself in the worst possible light. Nor any healthy individual. One can not fault the Good decent Muslims which there are many for protesting any attacks on their faith. Anymore than one would expect Christians to not react to any group constantly harping on the incompatibility of some aspects of the Christian Bible in todays secular society. Two extremes don't make a moderate.
There is but one Pope. That 100 influential and respected Muslim educators and clerics came together from around the world in a consensus of understanding and interpretation of the Qur'an is not something that should be shouldered aside as immaterial to what negativity could be made of the Qur'an by those less informed. Baby steps my friend. Baby steps. Mix in the Muslim Secular brief from Florida, another consensus of opinion and change and reformation becomes possible. Patients is a virtue.

Aqvar...quite true. No marketer will point out the deficiencies of their product, but highlight the positive.

None of which changes the fact that when you buy it, you then find out those deficiencies. Sadly, if the price was so high that you took out a mortgage to pay for it, you are LOCKED IN for the duration.

As I've said "moderate Muslims"....can integrate, but are they time bombs?

In a documentary about the rise of Hitler, the one outstanding theme keeps recurring. HIS POWERFUL ORATORY, and his passion. He had certain pet themes which included the restoration of racial purity of Germany and Austria, the destruction of the Jews and various other niceties. But he surely did NOT make a detailed song and dance about his 'final' solution when speaking publically. He surely 'blamed' the Jews and others for Germany's ills, but the actual solution to this was not made public.

"if anyone departs from his Islamic faith KILL HIM" is not high on the 'Must show' list for Islamic web sites.

"May Allah destroy them" (Jews and Christians) will certainly not feature on the front web page of the Victorian Islamic Council. but it SURE is in the Quran.

Along with this.

Surah 4:82

Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say, "We are Christians".

This is interesting, because 9:30 says regarding Christians "May Allah destroy them" and here "They are the closest to Muslims"..but look at "Pagans and Jews"...... they are THE WORST.

Lets be clear, when the Quran says 'nice' things about 'Christians' what it MEANS is 'Those Christians who do NOT confess 'Jesus Christ, Son of God' in other words.. they are not Christians at all.

So, in SUMMARY....Islam has hatred towards.

1/ JEWS
2/ PAGANS
3/ Christians (who are true)

The worst are Jews and Pagans.

That makes it pretty much ALL of us non Muslms

Belonging to a particular religion could hardly integrate in any different society as religious particulars dictate differentiation automatically, naturally.

Therefore, secularism of multi-nations countries is a way to their social unity.

“Atheism” is not used in this text-but let a reader guess…

Boaz,

Your intentional mis-interpretation is interesting:

- There is a number references (like 4:82) to establish the rights for the minorities 14 centuries ago.
- There is also a clear reference that Muslims do not judge others or other religions and that judgement is reserved to God (22:15).
the misleading one you quoted at the end was the definition fo enemy in a time of war which is misleading (obviousley in your case it is intentional and planned).

Boaz, I met a lot of missionaries like you in Africa: lies, deception, brooo haaa haaa and Jesus's axe. I am used to that. I guess what is puzzling me is this:

- If a Muslim cleric is twisting the islamic material the way you do, I would reported him to ASIO for inciting fear, hate and violence.
Convince me why you should be different?