Boaz,
One thing I forgot to mention. A large scale terrorist attack on a western target could change the whole scene in relation to stopping muslim immigration. We know the idiots will attack again somewhere.

I thought "Deliverance" was a poor movie, but the music is good. On C J Morgan, I think "Turkey in the Straw" is appropriate for him. Once again excellant bango piece.

Good Thief , Periclea,

You raised a couple of good argument and that is how draw the line between muslim majority and radicals.
I had a bit of thinking and came up with an idea that I would like to share. Its not a new idea it was actually applied by the Brits with the IRA. Rather than letting them call themselves "catholics", the British govnmt pinned them down as a political/militant separatist movement and isolating them of the catholic faith.

Part 2 of the idea is that we need to promote the carrot and the stick. that is educate the masses on moderate Islam as practiced by most while vivourously combat radicalism, this way we can all (muslim countries and western countries) can draw a thick line between ways of practice.

Right now this article is another proof of the ongoing alienation: scaring aussies and annoying peaceful Muslim majority as no-one like to see their faith being blamed for anything that goes wrong. The problem is the more alientation you cause to a minority the more distant theyu become. Integration is a 2 way street.

Thoughts?

Boaz, please contribute with an honest opinion this time only and then you can go back to your church of hate-ontology and repent on the weekend!

Peace,

Actually, "Deliverance" was quite a seminal (ahem... absolutely no pun intended) film of the 70s, which won at least one Oscar, as I recall. And the music was indeed good.

Amongst other things, the film presented masculinity in very challenging ways (some very graphic), including the banjo 'duel' between one of the 'average middle class white businessman' protagonists on a guitar and an apparently inbred hillbilly kid on a banjo, who ultimately dominates the closing sequences of 'Dueling Banjos' (the music was all dubbed, of course), and sets up the hillbilly/suburbanite extremities to come. And Boazy's quite right, the film is confronting and graphic in its depiction of sexual violence, although I'm not sure he'd use his misspelt metaphor if he'd sat through the unedited cut of the film ;)

Anyway, the admittedly caricatured image of the guy who played the banjo in that scene is pretty well what springs to mind when I read some of the more extremely idiotic and/or hateful posts from more than a few of the regulars here. Maybe that's why when I read our Banjo's pearls of wisdom, I subconsciously begin to hear the 'kerplunk, kerplunk' to which pegasus refers more loudly than usual.

On that subject, 'Turkey in the Straw' is a wonderful old American folk tune/song - do you perform it in blackface, Banjo?

Goodthief asks,"Even if enough Australians become convinced that we need to avoid what Europe is experiencing,how do you think we should go about it?

Well a good start Goodthief would be to censor all the hate,bile and notions of superior "Chosen People of God,Allah,and Yahweh mentality".Unless we remove the source of the problem,it will continue to fester.Remove this nonsense from all religious texts.Next let any of these religious nutters of any sect,know the parameters of their power and influence.Step out of line and expect the full force of the law.Currently we handle them with kid gloves for fear of making them violent and that empowers them all the more.

I would liken Cronulla to a headmaster at a school punishing those who retaliated against a bully because the headmaster does not know how to control the bully.You can silence the victim more easily because they are already oppressed and that his job[headmaster]would be made easier while the sore of resentment festers in the rest of the school.

For NSW Labor this will work for a short term but the long term damage mounts because no one has the courage to confront the bullies.The people of Cronulla were beaten with the racism stick by our left wing media and academics.Guess what, Morris Iemma supports them since he then does not have to make risky or hard decisions.Typical gutless pollies.

If the the abuse continues by these Middle Eastern gangs,then we will eventually have the first civil war caused by ill planned immigration policies.This is one of the reasons why Amanda was sacked.She was a good person but had not a clue about the friction beneath her feet.

Aussies similar to USA cannot deny the fact that they have no basis to hate Muslims or any other creed, race or culture. This is simply due to the fact that they have gone to far in to multi cultural,religion,race and etc...nations. This mean that to hate a group who is in your country is same as hating your own brother.

Dear Pericles, you would have more cred if you looked at articles written by those on the website, rather than simply cutting and pasting the most salubrious and illiterate "comment" from some poster.

F.H. did I post anything untrue ? Did I misrepresent Islam? If so, how?
Were their factual errors in my post about 9:30? Interpretive errors?

The difference between my appproach and yours, is that I am on the rough end of the doctrinal Islamic 'stick'.. it calls for MY destruction, says "I" am deluded and far from the truth simply because I believe the Gospel of God in Christ.
Now.. it is in your interests to select little chunks of Islam which suit your purpose of portraying it as "socially compatible, friendly and enlightened" but you should see my side of this. "May Allah Destroy them" meaning 'me' is not a good look.

The New Testament (and the old) does not call for the destruction of Muslims because it doesn't mention them. ... quite different from calling for the wholesale destruction of a religious and ethnic group (Jews and Christians) as the Quran does.

The level of anti semitism in many Hadiths is astounding. Aisha hates the idea of holding your knees during prayer "Because the JEWS do that"

So.. the Quran HATES Christians and Jews (calls for our destruction) and 'we' are then called 'Muslim haters'? hmmmmmm something smelly in that pot mate.
You could mention that the Quran also says "People of the Book are closest" etc, but then it also says this:
4:116
YUSUFALI: Allah forgiveth not (The sin of) joining other gods with Him; but He forgiveth whom He pleaseth other sins than this: one who joins other gods with Allah, Hath strayed far, far away (from the right).

Who is that? why its ME and every Christian of course. So, there is a serious contradiction there mate. We don't join 'other gods' to God, we both know this refers to the doctrine of the divinity of Jesus.

My dishonesty meter is not even registering here.