Logic, I thought that too, until Fellow Human started "informing" the Xians in the Forum that Christianity does not believe in the divinity of Jesus. Now, that's a line that leads nowhere.

FH: In your last post above, you seem to imply that a belief in the Trinity is incompatible with a desire to follow the 10 commandments. Not so. Xians typically observe these commandments (don't ask me about their level of success) as part of the Mosaic Law, and definitely regard themselves as monotheistic, Trinity and all. The Trinity is just seen as what monotheism looks like close up. Just google Nicene Creed, it's what Xians typically subscribe to.

Pax,

logic,
Are you playing "devils advocate" or do you have so little contrary argument that you resort to personal attack?

You say "Your stated view that it is only Lebs who are a problem is merely confining your prejudices" Are you saying muslims, other than Lebs, are a problem also (if so please inform) or simply saying that I am prejuciced?

How am I prejuciced? Against muslims? I said I have not seen or heard of many problems with muslims of other nationalities. Against Lebanese? I said I do nto know of any problems from Lebanese that are not muslims. Against Lebanese muslims? I have said there are also other groups that i would like to see prevented from coming here also, based ont their anti social conduct and contempt for our laws.

My conclusions simply come from my analysis of the attitudes and conduct of 'Lebs'.

I have never expressed any concern about terrorism. My comments have been entirely on matters of cultural campatability.

The troubles at Cronulla were caused by 'lebs' who, for years, harrassed beach goers and spoke offensively to females there. Police or other authorities were unable or unwilling to take action against the 'lebs'. It came to a head when two youg lifesavers were bashed by a gang of 'lebs' the week before. The locals decided to 'retake' their beach and did so with numbers the following Sunday. Some outsiders joined an this and caused a few scuffles but no one was seriously injuried. Bit different to the revenge attacks, whixh resulte in property damage and some people seriously injuried. More than a 'few' did this.

Each time there is a 'leb' incident, it is claimed that there is only a 'few' causing trouble. You say 'A lot of Lebanese Muslims are great people'. On the contrary, I say a few may be good people but a lot have nothing but diddain for us and our society.

If some of the good 'lebs' feel unfairly treated, they can blame others in their group for that.

Banjo

I am sorry if you thought that I was waging a personal attack. I try to avoid that, I do not know you. Please to not take it that way. Perhaps I misunderstood your post. I do think we should be careful of labeling all Lebanese Muslims as trouble makers.

I am not so sure that the Cronulla riots were caused be the Lebanese and would prefer not to draw that inference until I have better information.

Above all, no offence intended. I do think we have much to learn about Islam. We always have suspicions of newcomers, that is human nature and the presence of some fanatics has made the problem so much harder.

That is why we should be pleased that a Muslim like Fellow_human is taking such a part in the forum.

Intellectual snobbery Arjay? Nay my good fellow, merely an attempt to decipher your vague attampts at reading a dictionary. One word a day is enough, yes?

Religion is back here, or rather it hasn't gone anywhere. But why should it. It is a fraud. I pray some of you get that soon. I should say prey but won't.

Amusing these threads. A bunch of know nothings (mois aussi) rattling on about equal amounts of nothing for no one. On Line Opinion. That's exactly what it is and no amount of reading or writing will shift any from their concreted positions. Rather it serves to complete the solidification of widely held and totally wrong "beliefs".

If most of you actually believe what you write here we are in deep doo doo. For Arjay, see don't dont for an explanation.

Dear Logic. I’m almost stunned at your comment seeing ‘good sense’ in F.H.s ‘confession’ of his true position (and that of Islam), because what you missed is that the Quran curses YOU personally because you are Jewish. It calls for YOUR destruction, and how you find ‘good sense’ in that is beyond me. Perhaps it was just that F.H. mentioned the ‘One-ness of God’ ..and maybe this appealed to your Jewish understanding of Yahweh, but what (again) you missed was that the reason the Quran condemns ‘you’ is that according to it, you believe ‘Uzair’ is the son of Allah’.

Now..you and I both know that is patently incorrect. Jews don’t believe ANYone is the Son of Allah or Yahweh (except Messianic Jews who recognize Jesus as Messiah).

So, re-capping:
1/ The Quran is ‘wrong’ on a fact of history and Jewish belief.
2/ Even though it is wrong, it declares you, as a Jew (on the basis of this false statement) are worthy for ‘holocaust’ and final solution.

and in this....you find ‘good sense’ ?

yes... you know little about Islam, please_study_it.

THE FINAL SHOWDOWN. F.H. now it is your turn. How long have I labored to arrive at this point, where you finally reveal the true colors of “Islam” where you AGREE that the Quran calls for the destruction of all Christians today. You clearly state for all to see, that the Quran IS in fact calling for Christians who believe Jesus is Son of God to be killed, destroyed, annihilitated.

At last we have it, from the moderates mouth. (Pericles,Brushy, are you reading? do you finally understand why I’ve labored so long on this?)

The ‘good’ Christians and Jews and Sabians.... are in fact MUSLIMS. The BAD ones are those Christians who believe God the Father when He declared “Behold, this is my beloved Son, with Him I am well pleased” at His baptism, then at his Transfiguration “This is my beloved Son, LISTEN to Him”.
So, we need no support from Paul or Peter or anyone, we have it from the Father Himself.

Who....are the haters?

You are, Boaz, you are.

>>Who....are the haters?<<

The sheer amount of time you dedicate to picking holes in the fabric of someone else's religion speaks volumes.

Let us take a sober look, shall we?

If you "loved" a religion other than your own, you would spend your time looking for reasons to make it look good, accentuating the positive aspects and playing down anything that had dubious undertones.

Which is, of course, exactly how you treat Christianity (or Xianity, as goodthief would describe it) - playing up all its hope, faith and charity, and covering up anything unpalatable.

If you "tolerated" a religion other than your own, you would tend to ignore both its shortcomings and its benefits. You would be sufficiently secure in your own religion that you would not feel it necessary either to defend your own position, or attack someone else's.

Which is what we atheists, agnostics and folk who can't give a monkey's do. We look on at you religious folk and wonder whether you will ever get a life of your own.

But you are in another class altogether. And it isn't simply "dislike", or even for that matter "active dislike". You seem to spend every waking moment scouring ancient scripts for more reasons to denigrate and insult Islam, going far beyond the bounds of acceptable discourse, answering calm and moderate reason with hysterical diatribes.

That's hate, mate.

Or it's very close analogue.