Boaz,
You are a very smart person, do you think religion teaches a farther the son and Holy Spirit, the trinity all are one. I find that very hard to belive, that some one as beautiful as Jesus (peace be upon him) would teach such blasphemy. If it was the other way around you would probably say its teaching incest. The Quran and its quote yes buddy each to his own.
Yes profits come and people treat them like gods and worship them. The profit (peace be upon him) taught us to see him as a man with a message. You are a person that comes across as trying to push or prove things you don’t understand. Mate god created us to be who we are love, hate, wrong, right. May god bless you and your family.
The Quran teaches don’t argue with your Jewish or Christian brothers and sisters about religion, and follow all three books. Boaz kill this hatred it’s no good
I am not even going to go into any more of this because it’s like a disease one must respect each others beliefs.
Sunday morning watch the Christian programs and see the hatred being spread
We live in Australia we are a peaceful country why are we letting hatred ruin our beautiful nation.
i am sorry for any disrespect as this may be offensive to some people

Dear Kooree... I don't sense any hate in your post, as you should not be seeing any in mine. Its about fact and issues and discussing them.

Being passionate about something does not automatically attach 'hate' to it.

The 'Trinity' seems to be your primary justification for rejecting Christ as He is portrayed in Scripture. We can take this up later,
but for now, I'll try to condense my concerns into something less cumbersome.

THE PROBLEM

If I mention the following: (done by Mohammad)

-Mass executions (murder to me) of Banu Qurazya Jews.
-Mutilation of prisoners worse than Abu Graib.(Camel thieves)
-Killing of a man then taking his beautiful wife and having intercourse with her.(Saffiya)
-Assasination (murder) of people due to their political and poetic inclinations (Ka'ab bin al Ashraf)

How do you react? I'm guessing, that if you know of these things, you would say "They were justified" ..or..if you don't know of them, you may goto an Imam or Sheikh and still come away with the same idea.

NOW.... we come to the difficult part. "IF" you can feel comfortable with such things as legitimate expressions of your prophet Mohammad, and your religion Islam, it means you are comfortable with such things NOW..today, and you might even be my neighbour.

THEN..I read that the Quran calls for my (and every Jews) destruction based on my core beliefs, (9.30) not because of some act of aggression or harm I've done to any Muslim...... are u getting it yet?

THIS is the point where you have to say either.

a) Such destruction is the clear will of Allah, and I am a follower of Allah therefore I must obey Allahs will.
OR
b) These are the words of Mohammad only, and he simply made them up for his political and military convenience.

You doubt me ? see THIS. read the profile of this ex Muslim and what happened to her cousins.
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=nerdzrule

So,...KOOREE continued.

If you believe those things are 'ok' as part of your religion, then don't you understand how non Muslims might take exception to the idea of such a 'value system' taking root in Australia and actually growing?

Personally, I cannot see how you can accept 'Mohammad' as a prophet of God, yet reject his murder, lust and cruelty, so if you DO accept him as from God, you are left with the sad posiiton of having to INCORPORATE those things into your own faith, and value system.

I take the other approach, I

a) Reject him totally as being from God.
b) Embrace Christ as my Lord and Saviour.
c) Reject totally the idea that believing Christ Jesus is the Son of God is any kind of 'blasphemy'.

I do so, because your assessement of such a claim as 'blasphemy' is based on information which originated from Mohammad, who's character I have already demonstrated to be totally flawed and blemished, and that to accept him as a prophet requires you to justify mass murder, rape and torture at any time that it suits the interests of the Islamic state.

So, now you might understand why I attack Mohammad, and also, why he himself went to great lengths to STOP such criticisms of himself as he knew that such would undermine his political strength and power.

Fortunately for me, I am not a Muslim, nor do I live in a Muslim state, and the State I do live in, allows me to criticize, or even draw cartoons of Mohammad should I wish to do so. (or, to draw cartoons of our prime minister, as this forum shows)

Kooree, if I said "All Muslims should be rounded up, herded off to Baxter or Woomera, and gassed" you would have grounds to describe me as a 'Muslim hater'. (Have I made such a call?)
Your holy book DOES EXACTLY THAT but not in the same words, about me.
but it is much worse, it ascribes DIVINE AUTHORITY to such a call.

I leave you with the question. "Where"....is the hate?

Good thief,
“God sent his Son to take the fall for us”
This is a very important point -too often glossed over.
We are told this was a great & generous act & we should be eternally grateful; etc etc.

Except that the being which ‘gave’ also set the penalty.
Tell me, WHO was it that required a blood sacrifice for the forgiveness of sin?

Dear Horus, don't for a moment think that 'thinking' Christians have not asked that same question.

Here are some tidbits.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=25&chapter=12&version=31
Verse 9 to end but only makes real sense by reading the whole book first.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=52&chapter=9&version=31
Verse 14 to 21

Paul struggled with the 'big' questions also. But he had this problem, he had executed people..taken their lives, even women, and hounded and hunted the Christians with a goal of extinguishing them.
Then, on the road to Damascus..... he met some one and his thinking all changed.

Finallly

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=53&chapter=15&version=31

blessings/cheers
BD

Horus, Yes, the Father who sent the Son is the God who set the penalty. It is a true point that people like me have to address.

I believe that, deep in our hearts, each of us is basically a smart-ass. I mean “ruthlessly self-centred”. At that level, each of us has “done an Adam & Eve” to God. It is a profound betrayal.

We constantly do what we know is wrong. We pretend we don’t. We make excuses. We adopt more convenient personal morals in an attempt to avoid the problem. We apologise, and do it again. It’s got to be a major drag from God’s point-of-view. (I know that we also do wonderful things.)

I believe God is within His rights to say, “Okay, you don’t like life with me, you can have life without me”, and to spit us from creation. Instead, he gives us this magnificent planet, and then gnaws on His knuckles while we screw it up. He gives us magnificent human beings to live with, and watches us screw them up as well. He gives us guidance, sends messengers to remind us, but nothing seems to work. But He hangs in there – devoted, smitten even, in for the long tortuous haul.

Mercy is not fairy-floss. It lives in a hard place. It is relief from justice. If God had less integrity, and took Himself and us less seriously, He might just “not worry about it”. As it is, He does worry about it. Wants us to take things, and Him, seriously and to have integrity. So, we find ourselves in the dock, in the world of justice.

Whatever happens to us, we must not get our just deserts, that would be a disaster! God found a way to observe justice, but not at our expense. He spared Abraham the pain of killing Isaac (and spared Isaac a perverse death). The strangeness of that episode dissipates when you compare it with what God was prepared to do to His own Son (with the Son’s willing consent) and, love being love, to Himself.

Pax,