Goodthief..yes, noted mate :)

Pericles, the outstanding sign of 'evil' in the KKK website is there for all to see 'WHITE'. That is the point where nothing further has any credibility in regard to anything 'Christian' because God is "colorblind".

F.H. you're in deep trouble there mate :) ducking and weaving, grasping for the passing log as you are carried away by the surging flood of truth.

By mentioning that 'good' Christians,Jews and Sabians have nothing to fear on Judgement day is a declaration and confession of the outright internal doctrinal conflict in the Quran.

You cannot have 4:116 claiming "Allah does not forgive joining patners with Him" (words to that effect) and 9:30 "Allahs curse be on them" for believing Christ is Son of God, and then come up with
"They have nothing to fear on Judgement day".... it just cannot happen mate.

Knowing how the Muslim mind works, (to a degree) just like they refer to "Islam does not promote the killing of innocent civilians", they get out of this by declaring all civilians 'guilty'. Just so, its possible that the Sabians and Christians referred to are those who are paying the Jizya according to Mohammad's decree making them 'good'.
Even if this were the case, it reveals the shockingly arbitrary and contradictory nature of the Quran and Mohammad.

But I don't believe it to be the case, I think its just the way the 'revelations' came out on the day, they suited his purpose, as with most of them as far as I can see.

His wives are causing trouble so .."Instant revelation of convenience"

"I can replace you all...better watch out...... don't give me a hard time.. grrr" kind of thing.

Am I holding Islam up to public ridicule ? no, Islam and the Quran itself is doing that job much better than I can. Fortunately, this discussion is in good faith and intended to bring truth to the fore and reclaim you and others from the darkness in which you are currently residing.

"BRAINSTORM WAYS OF LIVING TOGETHER".... thanx GoodThief.. quite a positive challenge.

The main way of achieving this is simply to treat people kindly on a personal level.

But there is the 'personal' level and the 'national' level.
One involves the 'me/you' relationship, the other involves the social, ethnic, religious, cultural direction of the nation.

Lets ask this. "At an interfaith dialogue, the 'Christian' brings up the 'curse and destroy those Christians' passage"....

The Muslims look blank or blushed, or refer to some Sheikh for a view which minimizes the impact or meaning?

Nah..that just won't work. Christians are not that stupid..oh wait.. quite a few of them ARE, but not all. The only way that such groups can get along is to put doctrine aside for the sake of pleasant daily life, but at the same time, each side will work at the political, mission outreach, and social level to advance their own agenda. I know I sure will... and that includes attention to the
-Immigration laws,
-Migrant Resettlement rules,
-Religious Vilification laws,
-Truth and perspective in History teaching,
-Citizenship fostering,
-Call to Christ and discipleship. (first and foremost)

Muslims will seek to advance their agenda such as by making the police 'respect' their religion. For example, in the Police 'Religious Diversity Handbook' police are advised now to treat Muslim domestic violence cases differently from others.
http://awsda.org/blog/26/police-policy-reported-in-australia/
That link is a little bit colorful, but the essense appears to be accurate.

Why should police have to refer to the 'Muslim Religious leaders' in cases of domestic violence ? Makes you wonder.

Boaz,

You quote:

"By mentioning that 'good' Christians,Jews and Sabians have nothing to fear on Judgement day is a declaration and confession of the outright internal doctrinal conflict in the Quran. You cannot have 4:116 claiming "Allah does not forgive joining patners with Him""

Actually there is no conflict there whatsoever. It simply means that the Quran confirms the commandments and the Mosaic law (ie God is one, shall not make images of God, love God from all your heart).

It seems you want to follow the commandments and the tri-headed god philosophy at the same time. Sorry Islam is similar to judaism on monotheism its like a pregnancy test 0 or 100%.

What would it take to keep you on topic rather than your obsession with Islam? Can we get back to the topic at hand please?

Fellow Human, as an old cockie, having become philosophical in his old age, I commend you both on your persistence and quiet reasoning.

Also as a believer in the Nazarene Jesus, and not so
much of the more modern Christians, like a Texan preacher with a Bible in one hand and a concealed weapon under the cloak, would also wish there was many more like you, who seem to have a readiness to hang about and try to forgive like a Mandela.

While some call it wisdom and understanding, in bush language we just call it commonsensical reasoning.

Keep it up, cobber.

Good to see you're back George.We may not agree but that is what makes life interesting.

Keep moving ,it doesn'matter in which direction.

Fellow_Human

I was going to keep out of this discussion because it looked like just a hate fest. However I see your reason and good sense here. The truth is that we don't know a lot about Islam, just about the fanatics.

Banjo

Your stated view that it is only the Lebs who are a problem is merely confining your prejudices. A lot of Lebanese Muslims are great people. What percentage are a problem? Who caused the troubles in Cronulla? Wasn't it the Aussies who started it?

We are entitled to our concerns about terrorists of all kinds. I have heard that the majority of Muslims are equally concerned about the fanatics, particularly in countries like Indonesia and Pakistan. And they have face it more than anyone.