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Australians 'the worst Muslim haters in the world'? : Comments

By Manny Waks, published 24/4/2007

Visitors to Australia can talk all the nonsense they want, as long as they aren't a security threat.

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Logic, no one is saying that Muslims aren't nice. Muslims are normal average people that just want to get on with their lives.

However, we need to draw the distinction betweem the individual Muslim and Islam the ideology.

What is clear is that Muslims are the first victims of Islam in the same way that Germans were the victims of fascism in the 1940's. Germans were nice people but their ruling ideology wasn't. We could say the same for Communism at it's zenith in the 1950's. That is, Russian's and Chinese were nice people but the ideologues who governed and brainwashed them through totalitarianism were most definitely not.

It is the duty of any caring Secular Humanist to call Islamic, Fascist or Cummunist ideology to account for the sake of their victims. This is the only honourable thing to do.
Posted by TR, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 6:44:05 AM
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Boaz,

You quoted

“FH did clearly indicate that 'according to Islam' Christians and Jews etc…”.

Nope,
1. Judaism is clear monotheists according to Islam: the Quran states the mosaic law is the only law sent and hence we, muslims follow it as well. So please ‘unbundle’ Christianity and Judaism for the sake of this conversation.
2. the Quran states that people of the book (ie Christians Jews, Sabeans, etc..) those who do good and have good faith have no fear on judgement day etc.
3. The criticism for “some” Jewish people in the Quran is for those who either manipulated the commandments or rejects his prophets (including Jesus).
4. While the Quran honours Jesus as a prophet and his followers across 33 verses, the criticism is for those who exaggerate Jesus’ identity to be exact equal to God. Again you don’t need Islam to tell you that, you can re-read the OT.

Boaz, according to your teachings those who do not believe in Jesus Trinity, baptism, etc..are cursed and will not go to heaven. Similar meanings exist in the Jewish scripture. Christianity theological position on Islam that its a hoax and Mohamed (pbuh) is insane.
Do you see me running around asking you for a special fatwa to alter your scripture? No. Because I believe in the contents of my faith and couldn’t care less how others describe it. You believe your faith is right then you should be not care how others see it. Do you have a favourite suit or tie? Do you care how people look when you wear it?

ER/ Logic,

There is a big thick line between Islam and Militant Islamism.
There confustion can be by ignorance of the faith or intentional.

Back on topic:
After a month of travelling overseas, I think the title of the article is so unfair to beautiful Australia. I actually believe that Australian Muslims are the best treated that most if not all of European and western countries.

Peace,
Posted by Fellow_Human, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 1:15:27 PM
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Fellow Human, I have a selfish interest in point 4 of your last post. I don't mind the Qur'an consigning me to Hell for believing that Jesus is the Son of God and not just a prophet. Like you, I accept my own scriptures, and have limited interest in scriptures which contradict what I believe.

What does concern me is that some Muslims seem to have taken it upon themselves not just to remind me that I'm Hell-bound, but to take active steps to hasten my emigration there by killing me.

This is what is scary, and I wish I could get a handle on the numbers.
Posted by goodthief, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 8:44:13 PM
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Goodthief,

Islamic teachings walked the talk over the last 14 centuries: Muslims, Christians and Jews lived in peace since the dawn of Islam. Militant Islam appeared in the last century and is targeting mainly other Muslims. 99% of victims of militant Islam are, in fact Muslims.

I regret how you feel but neither myself or my faith are responsible for your concerns. I can only answer your questions and recommend you get enough understanding to resolve your fears. the Sydney Morning herald starterd a new Islamic Q&A blogspot moderated by Dr zacharias Matthews. you can visit it to understand more.

Peace,
Posted by Fellow_Human, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 8:53:58 PM
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Hello Fellow_Human,
It is a while since you and I exchanged views and i want to let you know that I, for one, appreciate the comment you made in a post above.

you said--"After a month of traveling overseas, I think the tittle of the article is so unfair to beautiful Australia. I actually believe that Austrsalian muslims are the best treated than most if not all of European and western countries"

It is good to find someone not knocking Aus. I hope that the followers of other religions feel the same.

We have welcomed people from most countries in the world and the majority have settled in well. It is disappointing that some groups have not and seem to have contempt for us and our society. It is also regrettable that the conduct of these groups seems to affect the reputations of muslims in general.

I hope your unprovoked comment, as above, gets the attention it deserves. Thank you.
Posted by Banjo, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 10:09:43 PM
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'There is a big thick line between Islam and Militant Islamism.'

Interesting point fellow_human. But is there such a thing as militant Buddhism or militant Janism? Some religions have an inate bias toward extremism and militacy, and some don't.

Also, despite their dwindling numbers Christians and people from other religions still make up a significamt minority in the Middle East and Indonesia. However, from what I can gather non-Muslims have not yet taken part in suicide bombing or terrorism - despite the fact that they live under exactly the same circumstances as Muslims.

Obviously, there is something fundamentally flawed about the religion of Islam when its governing classes can so easily manipulate and abuse the innocents under their control. I think that it has something to do with the Islamic ethos of 'submission' being mixed with theocratic totalitarianism.

By the way fellow_human, are you a Sufi? You sound like a Sufi.
Posted by TR, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 11:04:51 PM
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