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Another smokescreen of Zionist propaganda designed to cover Israel's bloody tracks in Gaza and Lebanon:

On "disposing of international law" and "humanitarian principles": No country since 1945 has displayed more contempt for both than the United States of Israel.

On the "real evil" from Israel: The never-ending torment and abuse of the Palestinian people, the past and present suffering of the Lebanese people, the future suffering of..?

And its lobby: "What the region needs now, according to [former Prez Carter's National Security Adviser] Zbigniew Brzezinski, is an American leader brave enough to say: 'Either I make policy on the Middle East or AIPAC makes policy on the ME.' " (Ari Berman, AIPAC's Hold, The Nation, 29/7/06)

On "many Australians": A March poll showed 24% support for Israel, 23% for Palestine, 33% neither and 20% not sure. The Australian government's blind support for the US of Israel does not have a popular mandate. And boy would I love to see such a poll now.

On "routinely and purposely targeting civilians": Israel, over and over.

On all your blather about "absolute monarchies, autocracies and dictatorships": Just the usual Zionist finger pointing.

On Dershowitz: Who claims the Geneva Conventions are outdated, that torture should be reintroduced and that extra-judicial killings should be legit. Sort of undercuts your opening paragraph somewhat.

Yuyutsu,

Your rantings about the righteousness of Israels murder of inocent civilians, Islamic world domination theory and people (including the Pope) fleeing Europe in fear of the evil Moslems are really rather insane.

I lived in London for over 5 years until fairly recently and my partner and her family are all continental European. I can assure you there is absolutely no fear of France, Italy or any other European country becoming Islamic states.

Let me take a wild guess Yuyutsu you are a big believer in the following:

The tooth fairy? Alien abductions? Unicorns?

Please answer this Yuyutsu: How is saying that Moslems are taking over Europe and the world any less racist than people saying the Jews control the world?

When I hear people ranting like you, I realise why Israel will never ever have peace until attitudes as racist as those you hold are changed. No amount of evidence, no amount of innocent lives lost, no amount of logic will sway such deep seeded racism and ignorance. The fact is Yuyutsu for some crazy reason your views are supported by the US and so the proof (or failure as I see it) of your arguement will be their for all to see - lets just see how successful Israel's latest expedition is. I guarantee you 5-10 years down the track if they keep up the current attitude things will be even worse.

You will see that I am right.

Fleurette's last post sounds like he/she wouldn't say no to a "final solution" of the Jewish problem being delivered by the medieval mullahs of Tehran. But to trust the benevolence of a regime that hangs 16 year-old girls for "crimes against chastity", is an indication of grand stupidity.

• James McConvill ..."Israel is not vulnerable, precious or a decent democratic nation. As events over the last few days have shown, it is an unprincipled basket case that will kill, maim, whatever it takes, to protect its hegemony"... Now surely-to-most of the moral-people, it would appear anomalous, that the Zionist-clique which forever-invokes the horrors of its spun holocaust-tragedy, should-have collaborated-actively with the vicious-Nazi-enemy, ever-faced by Jews. Yet authentic-history reveals-however, not-merely the common-interests, but a much-deeper ideological-affinity. Rooted in the extreme Zion-Nazi racism, which they actually shared. In spite-of-the-fact that Nazi-bigots rejected Zionists as not-of-Germanic-blut.

So for all their grandiose intellectual pretensions, their völkisch Zionism was seemingly an-imitation of Nazi nationalist-ideology. Or wasn't it actually vice versa? As-a-real objective of the Zionism has never-been-merely to-colonise Palestine as-a-goal in the classical-colonial style-of-imperialist (19th & 20th) centuries, when an-objective of European colonialism in Africa and Asia was essentially-to-exploit the indigenous people as-a-cheap-labor, while extracting-natural-resources for the exorbitant-profit. Whereas what distinguishes lastly evolved Zionist zealots from its earlier elders-of-zion imperialist-ventures, was the relationship between the born-to-rule settlers, and the people to-be conquered.

As the avowed-purpose of the Zionist venture (not-unlike in America), was not-merely to-exploit Palestinian people, but-to-disperse and dispossess them. To eradicate farmers, artisans and town-dwellers of Palestine, and substitute them with an-entirely Jew workforce, composed-solely of the Zionist zealots. As intent was-to-replace the indigenous population with the young-Jew-settlers. So in denying the existence of Palestinian people, Zionists sought-to-create the political climate for their removal, not-only from-their-land, but from the history altogether.

Thus when acknowledged (if-at-all), the Palestinians were re-invented as-a-semi-savage, nomadic-remnant. Historical-records were falsified in-a-procedure that begun during the last quarter of the 19th century, but still continued to this day in-a-bogus writing-style of Joan Peter's ..."From Time Immemorial". When in reality, the connived elders-of-zion sought over the years an-imperial-sponsor for their bloody enterprise, as they proceeded in alternative succession to plot amongst the Jew aristocracy, within the Ottoman Empire, Imperial Germany and British Raj, Bourgeoisie France and Tzarist Russia in lieu of the final solution for Palestinians.

For an eye opener proceed to ... http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=4737#50943

Who were likely-to-face Ottoman's style-resolve-like Armenians, slaughtered in the first sustained-genocide of-the-20th-century. As from-the-inception Zionist-doctrine-sought armenianization of Palestinian people. Who like-the-native Americans, were regarded as "a people-too-many". The logic-was-elimination; the record was to-be-one of a genocide. This was no-less-true-motto of the Zionist-Labor-faction, which-solely sought-to-canvass its "socialist" patina on the colonialist-enterprise. One-of-the principal-theorists of the Zionist-Labor and founder of the Zionist Ha'Poel Ha'Tzair (The-Young-Worker) as-well-as supporter of Poalei-Zion (Workers-of-Zion), was Aaron David Gordon.

Walter Laqueur acknowledges in his "History-of-Zionism", that AD Gordon and his comrades wanted-every-tree and every-bush to-be planted by the Zionist pioneers. Gordon even coined-a-slogan of Kibbush-Avodah (Conquest-of-Labor). As-he-called upon-the-Jew-capitalists and Rothschild's plantation-managers, who-had-obtained-land from absentee-Turkish-landlords over the heads of Palestinian people, to-hire-Jews and only-Zionists. Consequently WZO organised-boycotts of any colonist-enterprise that failed-to-employ exclusively Zionists.

Strikes-were-agitated against the colonists-who-allowed Arab peasants-to-share-a-crop or even-to-work as a cheap-labour. As Zionism's objective was-not-merely exploitation but usurpation. When at-the-turn of the 19th century, there-were over-a-thousand-of-villages in Palestine. Jerusalem, Haifa, Gaza, Jaffa, Nablus, Acre, Jericho, Ramle, Hebron and Nazareth were flourishing-towns. The hills were painstakingly terraced. Irrigation ditches crisscrossed the land. The citrus orchards, olive groves and grains of Palestine were known at the time throughout the world. Trade, crafts, textiles, cottage industry and agricultural production abounded.

The 18th and 19th century "Traveller's-Accounts" are replete with the data, as were the Scholarly-Quarterly-Reports, published in the 19th century by British Palestine Exploration Fund. In fact, it-was-precisely the social-cohesiveness-and-stability of Palestinian society which led Lord Palmerston in 1840 (when Britain had established-a-consulate-in-Jerusalem), to-propose-presciently the founding of European Jewish settler colony (as-a-preserve to-larger interests of the British-Empire). Whilst Palestinian society in spite-of-suffering from the devious-collaboration by the feudal-land-owners with the Ottoman-Empire's effendis, was nevertheless productive and culturally diverse, with the peasantry quite-conscious of its social-role.

As Palestinian peasants-and-urban-dwellers had-a-clear distinction between the Jews who lived-amongst-them, and would-be-colonists. Dating-from the 1820's, when 20,000 Jews of Jerusalem were-wholly-integrated and accepted in Palestinian-society. So when colonists at Petah-Tikvah sought-to-push Palestinian peasants off-their-land in 1886, they were certainly met with the organised-resistance, but-Jew-workers in the neighbouring villages and communities, were-wholly-unaffected. Likewise, when Armenians escaping Turkish genocide, settled in Palestine, they-were-welcomed.

"Why are there many civilian casualities in Lebanon? "

1. Actually They consider 'Terrorists' also as 'Civilians'
2. Terrorists fire rockets from civilian areas and flee to their hiding places. Israelis find the location from which rockets are fired and they target that place.


"Why are there less casualities in Israel?"

1. Israel's technology give warning signals so that the people can hide and protect themselves
2. Israeli soldiers aren't cowards. They won't behind civilians.

Jihadis, if you are brave enough fight Israelis bravely; don't hide behind civilians and cry "War crime"