I believe a poster way up there said something silly, to paraphrase him/her.

The Unite States does not back Israel? Really? I'd like to know then why the U.S.A. gives Israel about 2 billion dollars a year in aid? I mean given Israel is not even close to being a third world country?

Of course there is always 2 sides to every story. I also read when I googled forums about this subject in the tag line some one mentioning that international law was being broken by Lebanon for not implementing Res. 1559! I don't per se take sides here, but we should at least keep it fair.

As said, there are two sides to every story. I've bolded a couple that stood out to me.

http://www.politicallysound.com/Israel.html

Like I said, there is always two sides to every story and or conflict. As Buffalo Springfield wrote in his famous song "What It's Worth" "Nobody is right, when everyone is wrong"

Peace - Stephanie.

P.S. Just for the record, I am neither Jewish or an Arab. Just someone from Canada interested in the subject.

Savage Pencil, do you bother to read anything at all? Where did I say that the any girl in Australia would be put to death?

If she came to Australia and claimed to be a refugee from persecution or death our government would claim that it didn't happen and lock her up. They would claim that the Iranian government would never turn a blind eye to rape, they would claim that the government would protect her.

Then they would force her to go to the Federal court, they would say she was a liar if she missed out the smallest detail of the abuse through fear and they would deny her refugee status.

Then they would give her the choice of staying in detention for years or $2,000 to go back, where we know she would be killed.

I know this for certain because they even did this to a 9 year old Iranian child who had been raped by the janitor of her school, her father was incarcerated and when they got here she hung herself in detention.

She stayed locked up for 2 years, still traumatised and with DIMA and Ruddock still claiming she was not a refugee. Do not talk to me about the savagery of the Iranian regime until you face the brutality of ours.

This little girl was 9 years old.

I am rapidly becoming dissillusioned at the new lows to which the anti-Israel lobby will stoop. Now it turns out that more photographs have been faked (I couldn't be asked, Hajj is the photographers name, he was with Reuters), while the UN secretary general bleats about Israeli war crimes, while failing to make any mention of the cause of the Israeli response.

Face it, I know many here wish that Israel would be found guilty of war crimes, but it aint gonna happen. For a start, and as black kofi is aware, there is a right under International law for the accused to be presumed to be innocent unless and until their guilt is proven.

Next, the irrelevancy of UN observer's being unable to locate any weapons in the immediate vicinity is complete. It is not for Israel (or the individual accused') to prove that the area targeted contained Hizbollox and/or weapons, it is for the UN to prove not only the absence thereof, but also that the accused was aware of that absence.

Contrary to what is apparently thought by some here, Israeli's have no desire (at least the ones I know) to kill/maim civilians, they just wish to stop the terrorists firing rockets at their freinds/families. However, Hizbollox will escape prosecution for firing rockets, intentionally, at civilians, simply by virtue of the fact that it is too hard to prosecute them, or they have fled to Iran.

Please let the guilty be punished.

Inshallah

2bob

“Apart from civilians who have participated in terrorist attacks, I know of no arab civilians that Israel has attacked. Israel demolishes houses from which terrorist attacks have been launched. I consider that reasonable.”

You don’t know of any Arab civilians that Israel has attacked? And if I had evidence of the contrary would you suddenly know? Or does it have to be filtered through the US media first? Israel demolishes any houses situated on land it wants. They use excuses like the owners don’t have permits (which are impossible for the Palestinians to obtain). The sad part is this property has been in their family for generations. Not to mention that Israel is on THEIR land ILLEGALLY. It is an ILLEGAL occupation and they have no right to take anyone’s home. There are hundreds of thousands of Palestinians who are displaced because of this ridiculous attempt by Israel to gain more land.

Israel doesn’t have to fight with arms for its existence. Iran will never pull the trigger with the Arab population in the occupied territories. But if the Arabs are fed up with persecution and decide to leave in a mass exodus out of Israel then Israel would be susceptible to Iran’s wrath.

So I stand by my original solution –the Israelis should change their entire policy. They should treat the Palestinians with dignity and respect, give them equal rights, withdraw from the territories and learn to work together. If Israel did all of that and Iran still wanted to wipe it off the map then I’d support Israel all the way. But I’m convinced that won’t happen because if Israel was presented with such an ultimatum (wise up or the Palestinians leave) then they’d do nothing leaving their country vulnerable to an attack.
In fact I’m sure they want to be attacked in such a way if only to garner more sympathy than ever before. That’s how Israel and the Zionists work – by playing the victim.

Yuyutsu, you summed it up pretty well in the first para ;)

Just tell it like it is.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/video/videoplayer/0,,31200-galloway_060806,00.html

I keep hearing Israel saying that they are fighting for their nation.

What utter crock!

Nobody is invading their borders. No masses of infantry is marching into Israel, there are no arial bombings of Israel, there is no Navy firing sea to land missiles.

A couple of people were kidnapped which is responded to with mass murder.

Hey, if somebody tries to rape on of my daughters, I will the Israeli arguement to kill every person living in the same neighbourhood as the attacker because I'm protecting my family.

Spider,

Maybe not everyone in the surrounding neighbourhood, but perhaps everyone in the surrounding neighbourhood who cheered whilst your daughter was raped!?!

What do you think Israel should have done instead?

Don't forget this was a second kidnapping in a short period. If your daughter was raped a second time would that get you sufficiently riled to be a little irrational?