Yuyutsu,

You are one fine example of why there is a growing resentment of Jewish people. Jew's are behaving like the Nazi's of 21st Century with their tactics against others.

You should not complain about any sort of living standard of Jews in Iran while Israel only gives building permits to Jews, leaving Arabs and such living in squalor. Forcing Native Desert people in huts with no sewage, no employment, no education, etc.

I speak with a Muslim fella living in a European nation. He says that Jewish people drive through Muslim populated areas all the time without any trouble. Whenever a Muslim walks or drives or even walks into a shop in Jewish populated suburbs, the police are called to have them removed.

Such hatred. Such lusting for the blood of others.

Spider,

I do not agree with your observation as if resentment of Jewish people is on the increase. Jews were hated throughout history and there is no particular spike in that today.

I do not approve of any mistreatment of Israeli Arabs and when it happens, it needs to be corrected. Note however, that the issue you mentioned has nothing to do with those people being Arabs, but rather them being "desert people" in a shrinking world, just as we also have similar problems with our aboriginal population. Nobody is forced into huts away from infrastructure - those people are free to live wherever they wish, but they prefer to stay in the desert (outback?) close to their traditional grazing lands.

About Arabs in European Jewish suburbs, it is sad, but have you considered why it is so? has any Jew ever attacked Arabs in Europe?

Oh, and where have I complained about the living stanards of Iranian Jews?

Sganot,

I do not believe that Israel was illegitimately born, and my use of the phrase "perhaps illegitimately born" was a qualified concession to the anti-Israeli readers because I wanted to avoid all the tired historical arguments which are so often used in these threads to negate debate on current issues.

Since you insist, I have to say I have no firm thoughts on how any nation state can be born legitimately, Israel included. Virtually all modern states can trace their origins to the violent usurpation of earlier states/peoples and in that sense are all arguably illegitimate in a vague moral sense.

Israel, is merely a very recent example.

To judge Israel's creation in a moral sense is problematic. The Holocaust provided a powerful incentive for the Jewish peoples, scattered throughout the world, to form their own state, but the creation of Israel inevitably led to conflict with non-Jews seeking a different future for the same land - the Palestinians. What followed is a matter for historians and I don't really want to debate it. On balance, I take the Israeli side in what followed, but no side can claim very much of the moral high ground.

Ultimately, I don't believe it matters now whether Israel was born 'legitimately.' It has been here for 59 years and its founding generation, heroes and villains, are almost gone. Israel is here to stay and the morality of its creation is no more relevant to the future than the morality of earlier Arab occupation of the same lands or of the Australian occupation of aboriginal lands.

I always knew that spiders were creepy but after reading the comments above by 'Spider', it would appear that their human version is just as creepy as well. He certainly has read his copy of "The Protocols of the (Learned) Elders of Zion" well, hasn't he?

Talk about really dumb people – but then again most of the Jewish lobby is dumb and ignorant anyway ...

Zionism: A Conspiracy Against Jews
In 1935 the steamer "Tel Aviv" made its maiden voyage from Nazi Germany to Haifa with Hebrew letters on its bow and a Nazi flag fluttering from its mast. The Captain of the Zionist-owned ship was a member of the Nazi Party. A passenger described the spectacle as a "metaphysical absurdity."

Actually it made perfect sense.

The ship transported German Jews who had taken advantage of the "Haavara" program, which allowed them to exchange their money for its value in Germany products in Palestine. As a result, the fledgling Jewish colony received about 70,000 highly educated German Jews and 140 million Reichmarks worth of German industrial equipment. This laid the foundation of Israel's infrastructure.

The arrangement also boosted the Nazi economy at a time when Jews worldwide were boycotting German products. (My main source is "The Secret Contacts" by Klaus Polkehn a prominent German journalist. It is included in Olivia O'Grady's The Beasts of the Apocalyse, 2001, 421-447.)

Why retell this story of Zionist-Nazi cooperation now?
Because "Jewish" leaders have been exploiting their "lesser brethren" for a long time, and are doing so today. Ordinary Jews pay the price and this price could rise.
In my opinion, Zionism is a movement to deceive Jews into advancing the objectives of British imperialism. (See, "The Jewish Conspiracy is British Imperialism") Zionists who have built their lives on a false premise naturally will reject this view.

Specifically, Jews helped the British-Jewish elite colonize the oil-rich Middle East under the pretext of Jews needing a national home. Despite the appearance of neutrality, the British (and Americans) financed, trained and equipped the Jews. (John Coleman, Diplomacy by Deception p. 107.)

The "British" are really the London-based international banking cartel associated with names like Rothschild and Rockefeller. It doesn't answer to any government. Its goal is to colonize the world and everyone in it. Jews are a means to this end.
http://www.savethemales.ca/000482.html

Kekenidika,

What relevance do the stories you tell, even if they were true, possibly have to 21st century Israel?

Wake up, zionism is something of the past: its aim was to establish a Jewish state on the land of Israel. Once that state was established, zionism was over. Since then, time has not stood by, those people involved in your stories, even if they were true, have probably died (or are senile) and several new generations were born. There are new dynamics, Israel has a life of its own and no longer even depend on zionism.

Just get it:

Israel is there - and there to stay. It is a Jewish state. It is strong. It is democratic. It accepts minorities so long as they are not hostile. There are many conflicting views within it, but when attacked, it unites and strikes back.