Comments as the following do not uphold a view of what is truth but are part of the emotional hatred that breeds misrepresentation in an endeavour to gain power over others.

"You should be utterly ashamed of yourselves falling for the lies and spin and bull from Bush and his lunatic pals."

In the accompanyment of a statement is the emotion by which it is put. Could such a person meet rationally in a room with opponents like John Howard and especially George Bush. Examine are these claims lies to those who support a position as held by JH and GB? Are they a statement of fact? This is the point! Opponents merely seeking power, use lies and misrepresentation to discredit an opponent. This is what war is fed on. When the anger cannot be contained it results in violence. What might be believed as true to one is lies to another.

Only reasoned unemotional debate will present facts with some clarity that might change a mind in the process. Hatred of persons is distinct from hatred of ideas; War is hatred of persons. A "just war" is one where action it taken to restrain an opponent who threaten with violence the cooperation of a good society. Our world today is a Global Village and we can travel anywhere in it in 24 hours, or send rockets anywhere in minutes.

If we are to coperate as friends we must employ the principles as expressed by Christ, "Forgive, feed, clothe and pray [wish the best] for our enemy" [an opponent]. More people die of violence each day than die in fields of war. Why? Because hatred of persons reigns. At least engagement in wars has some international codes of justice except for nations who are non signatories. [eg beheading unnarmed aid civillians because of their nationality].

Marilyn

No one can answer your questions, because to do so would make them admit they were conned.

The USA has been at war with someone for at least the past 50 years, they need war, thier major corporations need war, thier economy needs war.

But we need the USA, if you include our claims on Antartica and our economic zone, Australia is one sixth of the world. How do we as 20 million Australians defend it?

Also how do we defend troops raping and killing Iraqis?

Further to coming across the unravelled thread, courtesy of Irfan Yusuf's canvassed topic, pertaining to macabre lies onslaught by the devious Zionists (veiled under revolving aliases cast on internet forums), I am compelled to comment as to the tip of an iceberg reflected a common denominator of the Jew dilemma. Concerning the utmost controversial issue in question on the planet of earth. Tough sought resolution of (for the humanity sake), to remain insurmountable without resolving the principal lingo essence as what kind of JEWS, we were talking about?

When deeper analysis of a macabre dilemma inspires to quote the principle, which is quite true in itself, that in the big lie there is always some sleazy force of machiavellian credibility. Naive populous has often fallen for, because gullible masses are always more easily swayed and corrupted in a deeper strata of their emotional nature (than consciously or voluntarily). Where in a primitive simplicity of their idle minds, they more readily fall victims to the big lies (than little fibs). As they themselves often tell small handy lies in little benefit matters but would be held back to resort to a large-scale falsehoods. Hence would never come into their dopey heads the realisation that the 'almighty chosen' supremacists fabricated colossal untruths.

No wonder sheepishly desensitised minds couldn't ever grasp consequently that ZOG run global establishments, courtesy of a cuckoo-nest incubated rulers as much as religiously cultivated preachers, could have had such a bloody chutzpah to distort truths so incredibly. When even clear-cut facts exposing heinous fraud perpetuation by Johnny Howard, Thick Bush and Teflon Tony to be brought clearly to the dill flock's attention, amazingly the careless sucker heads still to doubt, waver and continue to think that there may be some other explanation.

Because so grossly impudent lie leaves always its smeared trace behind it (even after it has been nailed down already). This is the fact, which was known extremely well to Jewanderthal expert liars in this world. Who conspired together worldwide in their supremacist art of the impeccable lying. Perpetrated as a matter of fact throughout the millenniums, courtesy of devious charlatans ingenuity knack. Who knew only too well how to use falsehood for the basest purposes, then never ever to admit any wrong.

Synonymous with the racist ashke-Nazim, who have known better than any others on earth, how falsehood and calumny can be exploited. Isn't their very existence, was founded on one GREAT LIE? Namely that JEWS are a religious interbreed. When in reality, JEWS are a RACE. And what a unique race, preset since time immemorial to deal with any alternative ideologies notion (ever to rise from the grass roots of conscientious souls). Perpetually filling even the vacuum cells via adhered supremacist rule motto: "SHOULD ANYONE BE EVER ABSENT FROM US ... HE WILL BE THEN AGAINST US"!

Thus having aristocratic Jew echelon masters throughout the millenniums firmly to place their bets each way ... they always to score their steadfast incubated winners worldwide. Impersonating an exclusive tyrant entity breed of the limitless significance. Assuring thus global apartheid via fait accompli elimination regimes. Starting right from a kindergarten via compulsory schooling and cultivated universities buffers, which to yield an ample of disposable puppets.

Accompanied over the years with connived referees issued clandestine dossiers as norm. No wonder the imbeciles lot to be nurtured with a carte blanche, whilst incorruptible souls of the genuine mortals to endure devious wrath. Still, so many of ill informed minds failed even to realise what hit them indeed. Without expecting in the wildest dream to face such a nightmare of the utterly insidious act to be unleashed on us.

"O Lord our God, help us tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with their little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it."

Mark Twain, The War Prayer

The article doesn't take sides to illustrate how lies give life-support to war, yet so many postings here miss the point & quibble about who-did-what when & why in a never-ending spiral of polemics.

Someone once said "war is politics by another means" or some such. So much wishful thinking. War represents the failure of politics and the rise of nihilism, AND DON'T THE FANS LOVE IT!

The Vietnam war ended largely due to the belated change of public support once reality hit the TV and made the lies obvious. I'd be rapt to see footage of both Iraqi & American atrocities during prime-time; that would presage the end of public support, the only thing which allows a democratic government to kill legally.

Leo - English please! Your last post resembles a random word generator.

Dear Marilyn

no need to 'demand' an answer, simply ask, and I'll do my best to accomodate. Sorry for not responding in my last post, only noticed ur question now.

Coach pointed out part of the answer, you appear to be confusing 'Christian' with 'Government'. Our policies are not based on 'Christianity' though our values as a whole do owe much to our Judao Christian heritage.

Now, as to "what did Afghanistan etc 'do to us'". That question pre-supposes we are trying to 'punish' them. I don't see that, I see liberation, with some vested interest mixed in. Thats the best you can ever expect, as it is a universal feature of international intervention since Adam was a lad.

Ridding the country of Sadaam has shown just how brutal he was, by the evil and unconcienable actions of the Sunni's who are not fighting a 'nationalistic' war, they are fighting a 'selfish loss of privileged position' war. Iraq comprises of Kurds, Shia Arabs and minority_Sunni Arabs. (The Sunni's persecuted and massacred the others, so clearly on the basis of compassion and reason, to remove Sadaam and the Sunnite power was a good thing.

Creative publishing licence with reasons which were designed to sway public opinion and get them behind the war are regrettable. The war of liberation itself is not. (humanly speaking)

The Romans, Alexdanda the Great, Cyrus the Persian, all created a peace after their conquests. The British Empire gave the world a language universal. Even the Chinese are learning it as fast as they can.

When people come here Marilyn, it must be understood that they come on our terms, not theirs, nor the UN's.

Shelter, Safety, Food and Medical is all they can expect. They get this -its called compassion.

Also, as to 'why' Dimia and their flunkies raid people at night, has it occurred to you that groups like yours create such an atmosphere ? *think* :)
If there was not so much opposition to our policies being carried out, perhaps things would be more peaceful.
Honestly, you are toooo close to all this. Think macro.