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Give ‘babe’ some wriggle room : Comments
By Mirko Bagaric, published 9/5/2006We are camped somewhere near the base of the moral mountain when it comes to pig farming.
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Posted by lizey, Thursday, 18 May 2006 6:27:06 PM
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MOS, we don’t need cars, computers, TVs and lots of things, you are free to give up the lot if that is your choice. But if you want others to do the same, you need a lot better arguments then you have presented so far.
Some industries might cause harm, cars kill, people become couch potatoes from tv etc, that does not mean that we say they are evil. As I have shown, some forms of meat production are to the benefit of both animals and humans, so if it’s a win-win situation, I don’t see where there is a problem. How many more billions of people do you want to add to the planet? Isn’t it time that all women had access to family planning, so they are not forced to have far more kids then they actually want ? Lizey, a lot of the time AI is used to solve problems of disease etc, Which could be spread between states or countries. Those animals would happily reproduce by any means given a chance, as in nature. Rabbits breed, well like rabbits lol, no mucking around with one baby a year. They would overrun the place, as they have, given half a chance. The net result is that other species go extinct. Now lets take an example. We’ll take a 1000 acre farm with 1000 sheep on it. We’ll let them do their own thing, tell the farmer to go away and do something else. What do you think would happen if nature took its course? Would there land up being far more suffering then exists now or less? Think about it Posted by Yabby, Thursday, 18 May 2006 8:52:26 PM
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A pig farmers view. There has been a lot of outrage over factory farmed pigs lately and its about time people knew how their food is being raised. I am a free range 'organic' pig farmer. Our biggest problem is that no one wants our product. Butcher after butcher tells us, 'we never get asked for it" or "there's no demand for free range". There is a huge big hole between the argument against factory farmed pigs and actually supporting the farmers that are doing 'the right thing'. It seems that people just accept what is on offer at the butchers, Woolworths, Coles etc. Does anyone actually ask for free range? or do they just not buy pork in protest?
Posted by pigfarmer, Sunday, 21 May 2006 12:27:39 PM
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Pigfarmer
I think you need a good publicist. I buy free-range meat from a butcher's in my local community. This butcher is doing great business. However, there is very little information in the wider community. Free range chickens are now common and can even be purchased at the supermarket. Perhaps you should follow the methodology used to promote free range chickens. I believe that the public can be persuaded; the flavour alone is far superior to meat produced by traditional farming methods and I prefer to eat food free of hormones and other additives - I don't think I am alone in this POV. Butchers need to be persuaded - they can offer an alternative to supermarkets which would be good for their business rather than just offering the same as supermarkets. Just a thought, Pigfarmer, hope to hear more from you. Posted by Scout, Sunday, 21 May 2006 1:08:02 PM
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Good to hear from you, pigfarmer
www.savebabe.com may provide a way for you to help get the message out. I'm sure they'd like to hear from you. Can I suggest you look at http://www.savebabe.com/change.html which says (in part): Can we create a better life for pigs in Australia? The answer is yes! The most powerful votes we lodge during our lives are not on election day – but each time we visit the supermarket and spend our hard earned dollars. By buying a particular product we support and endorse the industry that created it. The intensive pig industry justifies its practices through demand for their products. Therefore, if consumers demand humane alternatives and leave products that cause suffering on supermarket shelves - the industry will have to change. Animals Australia launched savebabe.com to educate and inspire change. We believe that the vast majority of Australians if fully informed, will avoid whenever possible, making choices and purchases that cause suffering to animals. Every time we make a cruelty-free purchase when we shop – we lodge our vote for a kinder world, for them, and for us. Posted by MOS, Monday, 22 May 2006 10:18:22 AM
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Thank you MOS for supplying the info that I couldn't.
I hope Pigfarmer checks back. Posted by Scout, Monday, 22 May 2006 10:45:45 AM
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Herbivores are not designed “to have huge amounts of offspring”. For instance you may have noticed that cows only naturally give birth to one or at most two babies at a time. But the mother cows constantly have their babies taken away and impregnated yet again.
Yes, it’s true; humans do take action which drastically speeds the breeding rate of the herbivorous animal’s we eat.
Pericles, It is unlikely we would have all meat-eating animals killed as we are against killing. I wouldn’t kill you because you eat meat so why should I kill a lion.
But lions do not farm the animals they kill and every prey animal has a chance (however slim) at surviving. They are not born with a death sentence. But a vegan world would reduce the animal suffering on the planet drastically.
And no, I don’t believe a campaign would be started against the eating of plants as they don’t have a nervous system, a brain or the ability to feel pain and fear.
No, a meat-free world isn’t going to happen in a hurry but it will happen, and good thing when it does.