Dianne since you brought it up.

Christian agenda mmm I wonder what that is?

If you mean I see things through the lens of the Gospels and the life of Jesus – thank you for the compliment. I mean to be a witness for Christ, it is intentional. But I’m either right or wrong.

Does that mean you have a secular humanist agenda?

The idea that it is valid to speak only from secular humanist starting assumptions not Christian ones – is not grounded in any reasonable theory of knowledge its completely arbitrary. (Read one of the latest OLO submission by Donna Sife ‘When being a Jew is not kosher . . . “)

Also, I wasn’t going to say anything again (Christian mercy), but

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=4282#36494

In this you call me misogynistic, fundamentalist and claim I have damned you to Hell.

All lies.

When confronted with this you tell me it is my problem for being offended, but it is other’s problem when they do the same to you.

Isn’t that hypocritical? Righteously indignant at certain behaviour then behave that way yourself?

Where have I been condescending? Many times you’ve used ‘Fear Factor’ to deprecate an informed comment about Islamic and Western tensions. Is this not condescending? It seemed to me it was you who were afraid to absorb the issues and come up with opposing arguments.

You have a double standard with regard to offensive comments, a double standard with regard to what ‘agenda’s’ are acceptable and a double standard with regard to condescension.

Again I wasn’t going to say anything, but it has occurred to me that all the criticism levelled at Christians is often the very thing that fundamentalist (I use this as a bit of a payback) atheists in here actually embody themselves. The word ‘projection’ has been used against me, when I read it I chuckled at the irony.

Scout it is scary but true that you disown in yourself what you claim exists in Christians.

Fellow Human, I am getting sick of explaining things to you. I will do it one last time, I feel compelled to educate those like you but there is only so much one can do, if you're so closed you can't listen, then it's your loss.

You sound like a Muslim, but you know nothing of Islam.

Islam does not respect "people of the book" in the way westerners understand the term. The concept of Dhimmitude is what your on about, with your taqqiya.

Why don't you explain to Boaz about how respectful Islam is to non-people of the book, like Hindu's?

I await your response but won't hold my breath.

And you miss the point entirely anyhow. Who cares if Islam is SUPPOSED to be believed a certain way.

ALL THAT MATTERS IS HOW MUSLIMS LIVE, and they live, on the whole, like barbarians. They treat other religious minorities like trash, you ever heard of the Coptic Egyptians?

Even here, in the Islamic diasporas, churches are regularly burned, with four in the aftermath of Cronulla, two after London attack, and two after the first Bali, all in Sydney's west.

The Uniting Church at Bass Hill has had to rebuild four times in four years.

Have you ever heard of a mosque being burnt down in Australia?

You say we don't understand Islam, but we do. Ex-Muslims are educating us more each day.

Are you really saying that a cleric in India, who recently said that terrorism is totally acceptable in Islam, who has over thirty years of experience teaching Islam, is wrong and you are right?

There are hundreds of these examples. Even Sheik Hilali, is he wrong? We all know his thoughts on jihad

But why tell us anyway? Tell those Muslims that are "misinterpreting Islam"m they need to know Islam is really peaceful, not me.

Teach poor fellows like the Indian Imam Waliullah, who don't seem to grasp what you loudly proclaim is self-evident, that Islam is a religion of peace.

Or that nine year old girls shouldn't be taken as wives.

Or that infidels shouldn't be made to pay the jizya.

Or that it's wrong that Muslims are allowed to lie to further the jihad against us kaffir scum.

You are a fraud. The west may be benevolent, and Muslims sure take advantage of that, but it won't last. We have fought two world wars against powerful armies to keep our rights.

Your brothers blow one train up a year. You've got no chance of bringing Sharia here, your people are impotent and weak, as are your ideas.

That is why you have all voted with your feet and are living in the paradise that is the west.

Well, wadyaknow? Ya pick up the Daily Telegraph this morning and out comes the screaming banner headlines.

NOT ON OUR STREETS

Sydney has now had 22 drive by shootings in the South West of Sydney since the beginning of this year. Almost two a week.

Naturally, “most” of these shootings involved men of “Middle Eastern background. Since the newspapers never tell you the whole truth, you join the dots and figure out that the rest of the shootings were almost certainly caused by people of Vietnamese background.

Police fear that the shootings may get as bad as the outbreak of suburban terrorism by Arab Muslim imports that happened during 2003, when it was getting difficult to walk in Muslim territory because of all the spent bullet casing rolling around on the roads.

Naturally, the large crowd of Muslims knew exactly who to blame for the murders. When the NSW Police turned up, a crowd of 200 attacked the police.

Looks like Tim Priest was spot on, ehh? I wonder how Sneakypeter, RObert and Scout will try to explain away the latest bit of bad news.

Rivers of blood may flow. Teachers may refuse to teach. Australians flee their former suburbs which are being turned into bullet strewn battlefields. Aussie girls may get gang raped by the score. But to some people, uphoding the Internationalist vision splendid is far more important than protecting the Australian people from a group of people who are nothing but trouble

Why the Peaceful Majority is Irrelevant
Front Page Magazine, Debris Trail, 1 March 2006
"I used to know a man whose family were German aristocracy prior to World War Two. They owned a number of large industries and estates. I asked him how many German people were true Nazis, and the answer he gave has stuck with me and guided my attitude toward fanaticism ever since. "Very few people were true Nazis" he said, "but, many enjoyed the return of German pride, and many more were too busy to care. I was one of those who just thought the Nazis were a bunch of fools. So, the majority just sat back and let it all happen. Then, before we knew it, they owned us, and we had lost control, and the end of the world had come. My family lost everything. I ended up in a concentration camp and the Allies destroyed my factories." We are told again and again by "experts" and "talking heads" that Islam is the religion of peace, and that the vast majority of Muslims just want to live in peace"

At: http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=2144

To Fellow Human.

You are saying that modern Muslim jurists are re evaluating Koranic law, especially that regarding punishments?

Well, that is interesting. Tell me, where were all of these respected jurists when Amina Lawal was sentenced to be stoned to death in Nigeria in 2003? Where, for that matter, were all of these respected Muslim jurists when apostate Salmon Rushdie was condemned to death by the Ayatollah Khomeini?

If “western” Muslims contain only an insignificant number of fundamentalists who believe in a literal application of Sharia Law, why was it that almost the entire Muslim population of Great Britain was gunning for Rushdie? If a fundamentalist view is rejected by “moderate” Muslims, one would have expected the “moderate” Muslim leadership in Britain to have calmed their own people down. Instead, these very same “moderate” leaders were openly calling for Rushdie’s murder, some even expressing the wish that they were praying to Allah for the privilege of slitting Rushdie’s throat themselves. This view was even expressed by former pop star Cat Stevens, who announced on British television that if he saw Rushdie, he would do his best to murder him.

Could I put it to you, Fellow Human, that your platitudes about how old Islamic laws are not being taken seriously by “moderate” Muslims in the west, does not appear in accord with observable reality?

You said that “fiery” Muslim clerics are in the minority. But Sheik al Hilali is definitely “fiery” and he is some sort of Grand Mufti of Islam. If your most senior Islamic jurist in Australia is praising suicide bombers and promoting religious and racist hatred in this country, it hardly inspires trust in his lesser ranked minions, does it?

Finally, you are saying that you personally do not want fornicators like me stoned death. You believe in total religious tolerance and you don’t think that Muslim apostates should be murdered.

Well, that is very gratifying. But even if you are not giving me an Al Taqiyya snow job, I doubt if your fellow “moderate” Muslims feel the same way.