Ben...if that is true, 75% of Lebanese Muslim men find wives from Lebanon, that has rather serious implications for demography !
Are you sure about this ? is it not actually 70% find wives "within their own community" ? (in Australia and O'seas)

Scout, I really don't see too much specific 'blanket' condemnation of 'ALL' Muslims, but if you see it, please continue to condemn it.
I prefer to avoid such attacks, but nothing will stop me going gangbusters against Islam as a faith.

You tend to approach the issue from 'outside' any community of faith, which is ok as far as it goes, but I don't think you can possibly appreciate the gravity of doctrinal fundamentals such as found in Islam (note, I said 'doctrinal'). You see things in a broader minded social friendliness way, and again, thats great. But that does not explain the multitude of signs such as 'kill those who mock the prophet' etc which popped up during the cartoon controversy in LONDON.
Nor does it adequately explain the closeness of the head slicing and dicing crowd to the Koran while they carryout the beheadings.

What does explain these terrible actions are a) The Quran b) Hadith c) Sunna (example) of Mohammed.

You are always welcome to point out weaknesses in my own reasoning, and I'm sure Martin would welcome that also. What you call 'insults and lectures' Martin probably calls 'empassioned debate'.

To me, unless the fundamental source of the motivation for terrorist attacks in the name of Allah, are dealt with at the doctrinal level, we have no hope of stopping them.

Anyway, please don't be disheartened, your contributions are always valuable whether or not we agree with them.

Benjamin,

First, you keep painting all Muslims with the same brush.
You still didn’t respond to my argument which is: if Australian Muslims come from 25 different ethnic backgrounds, why is it only Lebanese youth that have this problem?

Why there is no Turkish, Egyptian, Malaysian, Indian, Iranian, Japanese Muslims gangs then? Neither you nor Philo could respond. The answer is simple: it’s a Lebanese youth issue.

Second, you either practice what you preach or you don’t.
You and few other posters have no place to attack “Muslims who don’t accept others” because you are one of the same material. You, Coach and a bunch of others are nothing more than ‘Christian Wahhabis’.

The idea of mutual dialogue is to accept all others as ‘ways of worship’ and only God will judge us all. If you are into the “religious post puberty” phase of I am right everyone else is wrong then you are not ready for dialogues.

To all Religious extremists:

1. I will continue to oppose religious fundamentalism – this applies to all religions.

2. I will continue to defend any people who are derided and vilified for their faith.

3. I will defend the right of all to express their opinions.

4. I will protest those who condone abuse as ‘passion’.

I also wish to point out that I can identify insincerity when I see it, as in Boaz’ “Anyway, please don't be disheartened, your contributions are always valuable whether or not we agree with them.”

The last thing I require is your false pity. Very dishonest for such a devout 'Christian'

But thank you for the increase in my already abundant determination to never give up the fight for liberty, equality and humanity.

Look the cold hard facts are, the majority of muslims 1.lack the ability to admit when they or their own are in the wrong 2.very rarely marry outside there own kind, and i say their own kind for the simple reason if they classed themselves truly australian they would have no problem allowing thier daughters to marry anglo australians, but they would prefer to send them overseas to find husbands,as they class anyone outsidee their religion as infidels.While this is allowed to occurr their numbers rise at a stagering rate. All i can say to people who would critisize my opinion is, would you still be critisizing me if a pack of dirty middle easterners gangraped youre daughter,wife,friend or stabbed them in the back then kick the crap out them until half dead or seriously injured or both,that is what they like to do. They are a problem, and it is not because of the opinions of people like myself or tim preist or anyone else that is negative toward them. It is purely their numerous negative actions toward everyday australians, trying to go about their daily routine or social life, they are responsible for the current state of north west sydney, the gang shootings, drugs, extortion rackets, car rebirthing they are into bloody everything. When is it going to stop I hope all the mongrels go around and shoot each other, so only the decent ones are left and i say decent in the respect of the ones who truly wish to be australian.Australian is defined as ;always willing to give another a fair go,but will only take so many kicks in the gut,well we have taken enough from this pack of dogs.

Fellow_Human,
The first two paragraphs of your post to Bengamin were most interesting as I have been thinkng along those lines for some time.

If the problems of not integrating, intolerance, rudeness, arrogance, contempt and antisocial behaviour are all. or mainly, from Lebanese males, let us say so. To hell with political correctness.

It is grossly unfair that Muslims of other national extractions are tainted because of the actions of one group.

If the Lebanese are to blame for the current situation we must identify them as such, not just refer to Muslims in general or those of Middle Eastern appearance. Other Muslims should distance themselves from the Lebanese males to avoid being painted with the same brush.

To Sydneysiders that say they are close to the problems. Is it mainly a Lebanese problem or are others involved? How do you find the conduct of Muslims of other national extractions?

Fellow_Human, Scout and Banjo

Thank you for your posts. Well said.

Cheers
Kay