The growing suspicion among Americans that the attack on the World Trade Center towers on 11 Sep 2001 was carried out by demolition explosives, with the airliner collisions being supplied as "theater," has started a slowly simmering reaction against the government's legitimacy and authority. The reaction can be summarized as follows:

Because they don't obey the law, neither need we.
Because they attacked us, they should never be secure from our reprisals.
Because they can't be trusted, we don't owe them the truth, either.
Because they have guns, we should be scofflaw to gun control.
Let the first enemy of the US government be America itself.

This reaction to reason is entirely proper. The WTC treason provoked it because of its visually dramatic nature. But it was overdue. The US government had already perpetrated much larger treasons with laws favoring multicultural race-mixing and by failing to control the US border with Mexico.

No citizen has any moral obligation to obey the laws of a government that would mix them with another race.

Some thoughts on probation issue.

- I have the impression that the "Lebanese" Gangs are mostly comprised of men who have grown up in Australia, possibly were born here. 2 or 5 year probabtions are irrelevant as a means to deal with their behaviour.
- If such an idea is brought in what we should be looking for is a pattern of behaviour which shows contempt for this country so the person with 50 parking tickets should show on the radar.
- To get a viable system it needs judgement calls rather than strick formula's and that leaves a system open to bias, personal agenda's, corruption etc on the part of the persons making the judgement. If we went for strick formula's then lawyers would have a field day.

I do agree that immigration whould primarily be for the benefit of Australia and that it involves some mutual obligation. Those coming here have responsibilities which most honour, the small minority who don't need consequences for failing to do so.

R0bert

Jenab

Your views are an utter disgrace. You are espousing intolerance and segregation. This is the 21st century. Such opinions have no place in rational and sane discussion. I am embarrassed for you. You should be ashamed of yourself.

I am intolerant of intolerance and I sense everybody on this forum basically agrees on that and accepts it as an Australian ideal.

Take your unwanted intrusive Americanism away from this place.

Police-inaction,
I hear Police talking about not stirring up more violent situation that involves them directly. For-instance the Cronulla riots were between two community groups, whereas riots in Redfern and Macquarie Fields were directed at Police. If Police arreast gang members in their community they will be faced with the same type of violence as the previous examples.

As you know the Police are restricted in how they arrest offenders. They're not allowed to act heavy handedly and overpower by force. The NSW Police are the "Police Service" whereas once were the "Police Force" and could act quickly to dominate the situation using brute-force. Their tenure has changed to tolerance, this requires them to stand in lines while youths pelt rocks and molotov coctails unabated.

With these youth it would involve illegal knives and pistols. Before the Police can arrest an offender for carrying a knife or gun he is required to ask, "Are you carrying a knife?", the offender is to hand it over. The Police cannot arrest on suspicion and frisk the suspect, so this proceedure places the weapon in the offenders hands while approaching the Police with the weapon. This'is too risky the Police say; the knife being thrust towards an Officer could leave him wounded or dead. The same applies for pistols. There are thousands of illegal pistols in this community, and they have their own legal pistol shooting club.

Police do have the numbers but not orders to act with violence overpowering criminals, as charges can be laid against them personally. In the heat of the battle they wouldn't show personal restraint. This could then embolden the youth to act as they did in France. These criminals have no rules of engagement; but they certainly need to be brought to justice. I am sure the Iemma Government [especially the Iemma Government], as the local Member for the area would not want a state of emergency that brings in the Army to shoot at will anyone suspected of violent intent. This would imply he is not capable of managing State affairs.

Government-Private Dictatorships (GPDs)and their racism stalking horse.

Facts:

* Morris Iemma is member for LAKEMBA, the PRIVATE Sector sweetheart (http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/iemma-hits-paydirt-with-donors/2005/12/30/1135915692354.html) and has little regard for democracy as shown by by forcing a desal plant on 7/10 citizens who oppose it.

* Morris Iemma wants 1,000,000 more people in Sydney by 2020 despite the civil unrest.

* Cronulla is intimidated by Lebanese youth, mostly from LAKEMBA.

* Police lock down Cronulla and intimidate locals as an Iemma priority at a time when Cronulla residents seriously challenge the desal plant on a number of levels.

Wake up people!

This is not evidence of a racist backwater it is the consequence of Government-Private Dictatorship and a total DISRESPECT for the majority of electoral constituents.
Any law and order measures that penalise rioters or racists can easily be perverted by a Government hell bent on GPD agendas. This is not the answer to racism or rioting or civil distress. And at every step of putative law and order measures, Private companies are the winners just as the telcos were during the riots, with increased text messaging.

GPDs are common now in Europe, China, India and even in US states like Nevada. But Unlike those places, we still have a democracy of sorts and can give this 'Labor Party machined GPD' the BOOT at every opportunity that presents itself.

To compound the problem, the Howard government immigrates skills to the tune of 110,000 per year and boosts HECs fees in a one-two punch that has youth right across Australia feeling unwanted, devalued, insecure and prone to civil disobedience.
If we want riots, disrespect for law and racism to go away we need to also send a short, sharp electoral shock to the Howard government that we EXPECT free education and a total removal of HECS fees. This country can afford free education. This country cannot afford to have unvalued youth or other citizens of any race or creed. It is far better to make them feel part of this nation rather than sidelining them as part of some petty Turnbullyan budget balancing fiat.

KAEP I agree; To compound the problem, 'youth right across Australia (are left) feeling unwanted, devalued, insecure and prone to civil disobedience'.

SOCIAL ANXIETY?

"If we want riots, disrespect for law and racism to go away we need to also send a short, sharp electoral shock" to all of government "that we EXPECT free education and a total removal of HECS fees".

"This country can afford free education. This country cannot afford to have unvalued youth or other citizens of any race or creed. It is far better to make them feel part of this nation rather than sidelining them as part of some petty Turnbullyan budget balancing fiat".

If "COST BENEFIT " analysis means anything, it would be more "human" and economically cheaper on social services in the long-term.