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By Tanveer Ahmed, published 15/12/2005Tanveer Ahmed argues there is a specific segment of the Lebanese community in Sydney causing the unrest.
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Posted by Jolanda, Saturday, 17 December 2005 8:45:26 AM
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Jolanda, kind of agree with you but am uncertain which direction your are coming from.
If for example 20 of the 100 kids from grade three crossed the road then some here would have us believe all grade 3 kids were bad and others would have us believe the issue was the fault of everybody except those grade 3 kids. Some might suggest that the other kids who spent every spare moment calling any grade 3 kid they could find "stinky pants" and "scaredy cat" (etc) had something to do with the behaviour of the kids who crossed the road and a few might suggest that the parents who did not teach their kids to follow the rules played a part. I'd strongly prefer society to work out what specific issues are leading to the problems, there are plenty though who continually seek to use any attempts to do so to further their own agenda's - relentless muslim bashing - mostly by christians - a small group who want a move to good old fashioned white racial purity. I've been told I'll be deported for opposing that, not sure what will happen to BD for marrying an asian and the "lefties" are in real big trouble. - a group who seek to use all of this against the federal government. - some migrant groups, spokespersons who are much more interested in the welfare of their group than in the welfare of this country. - some political extremist's who believe that anglo capitalist right wingers are the cause of all the worlds problems and that minority groups are always the victim. - some political extremist's who believe that socialist homo PC left wingers are the cause of all the worlds problems etc. Our mission is to try and tread our way through that maze and come up with solutions that work. R0bert Posted by R0bert, Saturday, 17 December 2005 9:26:33 AM
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What a load of poncy, snobbish tosh this man talks.
Populations everywhere have their underclass, not just the Lebanese. Populations everywhere also have their upper-class snobs and Ahmed is clearly one of those, taking advantage of the latest moral panic to push his silver spoon barrow Posted by chainsmoker, Saturday, 17 December 2005 10:12:26 AM
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ROB
well observed. "Finding our way" is a very simple task. Even handed and robust policing ! It all starts with upholding the rule of Law... for ALL segments of the community. Its not rocket science. To calm the anger of many Australians, they need to take to heart the sense of frustration over the longstatnding and well documented 'cowering' of the police to a number of ethnic related gang activities. (the Police have not 'cowered' to my knowledge to any other gang activity, perhaps Cabramatta until it was sorted out after it was exposed) At first it was 'softly softly' on Cabramatta drug crime, then, and now, it is 'softly softly' on 23 car loads of baseball wielding ethnics at a Parramatta fast food outlet intimidating patrons. I've just rang Parramatta police about this, and they are 'blaming the media' and 'We cannot disclose any information about who or why people are arrested' and for those who say "The race is NEVER reported if the perpetrator is 'white' or anglo, here is a rebuttal "The offender is described as being of white appearance, aged in his early 20s, 165-175cm tall with medium build, short light brown hair and clean-shaven. He was last seen wearing long dark pants and a shirt." http://www.slr.net.au/id17.htm And... an apology is long overdue from the Lebanese Community leaders for the 'invasion' of Cronulla and the vicious racist attack on property and people last weekend. Posted by BOAZ_David, Saturday, 17 December 2005 12:35:52 PM
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A generally insightful article, however, comparing the words "nigger" and "paki" with "leb" is a bit hard to swallow. Neither of the former strutted around in gangs preying on races or religious groupings outside their mileau. As a former resident of SW Sydney, I saw many examples of poor behaviour amongst Lebanese- including, before the great masses of Muslims arrived, a casual sexual and verbal assault on a former partner- by a Maronite Christian. So the bad behaviour isn't all "Islamic"- there's an element of it amongst the Christians. Or is it a cultural thing amongst Arabs? Or have Islamic attitudes to women rubbed off on Middle Eastern non-Muslims?
Whatever the origins of the "leb's" bad behaviour, a lot of work is needed to curb the gangs' activities. No other immigrant group has caused the problems these people have. No other immigrant group comes close, in fact, and that comes from a former resident who grew up in poor immigrant suburbs. The rowdy backlash to years of Lebanese misbehaviour was deplorable, but understandable. The thing about Lebanese which has struck me has been their cowardliness- large groups of well-built young men preying on old people, young men walking (or even driving) alone, 'normally" clad women, and even small girls! (the latter apparently having to "cover up" at beaches for fear of being called "little whores"). This has gone way too far, and massive efforts are need to curb the activities of these young men- and we have to think to the future, too. What sort of children are these misfits going to produce? Posted by Viking, Saturday, 17 December 2005 1:04:48 PM
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These have been some results of the "race riots".
Beaches being policed and declared out of bounds. Christmas Carols cancelled. The Australian flag taken down from a police station. Christian churches fire bombed and shots fired. Who ever is winning this disgusting war, it is not Australians. Posted by mickijo, Saturday, 17 December 2005 1:58:18 PM
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Let me give you an example. One morning last year a radio van was parked outside a High School giving away free drinks etc. There was a Primary School on the other side of this main road. Some kids from the Primary school ran across this major road in order to receive freebies. Lucky no child was killed.
At the assembly that morning the Principal was furious. He yelled at the all the kids about having gone across the road and told them how disappointed he was. It was really unfair to those that had made the right choice and didn’t go across.
My children complained to me and I spoke to the Principal and enquired as to whether a fairer method would have been to publicly identify those individuals that did the wrong thing, make an example of them, and punish them for their actions instead of blaming the whole school. I was told by the Principal that they couldn’t’ do that because they could then be accused of victimization. I was in shock. There didn't seem to be any concern about the victimization of the innocent children, who were blamed and discredited for something that they didn’t do. Why don’t they have rights?
The message was clear- it didn’t pay to have been good