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By Tanveer Ahmed, published 15/12/2005Tanveer Ahmed argues there is a specific segment of the Lebanese community in Sydney causing the unrest.
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Posted by Crabby, Friday, 16 December 2005 8:13:45 PM
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All those who choose to display pro-Nazi slogans, emblems, for example swastikas (hindus excepted, of course) should be arrested and charged on the spot, like they are here in Germany. It's a total insult to every digger who lost their lives fighting against them over England and the channel, France, North Africa (Tobruk), Middle East, Indian Ocean and anywhere else Australians fought against the Nazis. It is a total insult to the millions of people of every race who were tortured and killed by the Nazi party. It was a totally evil organisation, 'evil' in the sense that most people understand the word regardless of their religion or non-religion.
Here in Germany, in the country where the Nazi Party was born, it is banned. It's banned. Why is not banned in Australia or the US? How DARE anyone wear a Nazi Party emblem and call themselves Australian at the same time. Down at 'Nulla they did just that. Total bastards. Plus they rooted up an important peaceful protest. Arrest them. And I have just the right punishment for them: 24 hours in the township of Wilcannia in western New South Wales, with nothing but their swastika fancy dress costumes. Posted by Ev, Friday, 16 December 2005 9:03:52 PM
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"They quickly had large families. The fathers were often absent while they worked multiple, unskilled jobs trying to provide. The mothers lacked the extended family support they may have had at home. Parenting was often focused on the daughters, for in the world the mothers knew women needed more discipline and attention if opportunity and marriage was to beckon. A relatively absent father in many families compounded the problems."
This is not true, I grew up around lots of these families, both the mother and the father were on the pension in most cases, as were all the adult children. They also do listen to their parents, as it is their parents who tell them that Aussies are trash and should be disrespected, it is their parents who should feel sick that their own selfish racism got in the way of their children having a decent life. Due to their instilled hatred, sadly now all their kids are in jail, but more sadly, the rest of Australia has to bear the real brunt of it and get called "racist" at the same time. What a disaster. "But there are other Muslim youth from many different countries living in Sydney. Other Arab Australians from Egypt, Jordan, Iran or Syria do not have the same problem. If you meet them, they will be quick to point that their community’s migration was from a more skilled base. They had smaller families, focused on their children’s education and integrated more easily." This is only true in that they are not here in the same numbers and from the same classes. Saying it is particularly a Lebanese problem is rediculous since they have the exact problem all over Europe, where in Germany they have Turks, in England they have Pakis, in France they have Algerians. So, while I think it is adult of Tanveer Ahmed to acknowledge a problem, he is one in a million for that, he is wrong to say that it is a Lebanese problem; it is a middle-eastern muslim problem. Quite simple. Posted by Matthew S, Saturday, 17 December 2005 5:54:53 AM
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Excuse me Crabby,
on behalf of Benjamin I must make an observation: you probably only agree with Ben because this time you can't call Tanveer a racist, since he is muslim himself. All this shows is that you yourself are racist, since you can't see an issue for what it is, you get trapped by colour and race. How sad. Remember what Pauline Hanson and Graham Campbell said about ATSIC and being too lenient on drunkard indiginous parents? Well I bet anything you were one of those bigots who could care less about actual indiginous people or their health, all you care about is appearing as though you don't insult anyone, even if it is for the greater good, like is now obvious with the likes of Noel Pearson, finally saying the same things as what P.H. said nine years ago. I notice too that a lot of media and the left support Noel, why ? Because he is Aboriginal, and if he is saying it it's OK so you don't have to get that "funny gut feeling". What cowards. I wonder, what do you think? Is Noel a racist like P.H. was? Posted by Matthew S, Saturday, 17 December 2005 6:08:33 AM
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Mathew, you had forgotten the Massive Insurance fraud, they participated in the: well they still are since the first one arrived.
How they set them selves up for vehicle accidents and injuries, and Police –Governments and Insurance companies became complicit: although they were old tactics-non the less some choose to forget about it, another contributing factor in societies decline. So much for the White mans sophistication of civilization, simple psychological tactics and subliminal language and conditioning of guilt, and threats and reprisals- where in fact the perpetrators of such crimes are writing the statutes and Laws; Funny I said that: I recall reading that familiar line in some Cult documentation of 1400 years ago, can you help me remember what that Looters Cult was? What better way to exonerate oneself from barbaric crimes and an open warrant for the perpetrators by justifying it as Gods will? You can Loot everything and do what your ego commands. What a familiar coincidence that is. Posted by All-, Saturday, 17 December 2005 7:03:07 AM
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Please read the open letter to all Ministers of the NSW Parliament by following this link:
http://cracker.com.au/viewthread.aspx?categoryid=11121&threadid=94369 If you agree with this letter, forward a copy to all of your friends family and any or all Ministers in the State and Federal Parliament. Thanks. Posted by Give 'em enough rope, Saturday, 17 December 2005 7:57:29 AM
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You can “say it again” as often as you like: mere assertion, however loud, doesn’t make it so. If you’ve picked up your ideas about Muslim beliefs and attitudes from talking with Muslim people, all I can say is you’ve not found the mainstream of their community. Many Muslim live around me, and some are my good friends. They certainly accept the right of other religious groups and people with other ways of life to co-exist with them. I find none of the denigration and drive for power you keep talking about. On an inter-faith level, my church has had a number of very friendly open seminars with representatives of the Muslim community and other religions; this helped all towards easier relationships and deeper understanding of the similarities and differences between us.
And I also take issue with your generalisation that the “majority of Australians are racist”. The word “racist” is ambiguous and carries too much baggage to be very useful in a meaningful discussion. But here again I think you must get around in unrepresentative sectors of the population to form that opinion.