lots of young Lebs need a good kick in the bum. So do plenty of Aussies.

I think we are looking into it too much. if it were crips vs bloods, we would be trying to break the issue down also.

the end of the day, young men have themos, they have a natural aggressive urge especially prevalent in adolescance that dates back to when we were living in caves.

We have warring groups of youths who are confused and try to develop an identity from these groups or gangs, and are very defensive and protective of them.

The problem is themos. all the do gooders and feminists who discourage the appropriate releases of this anger and agression are the reason many of these boys are so needy to respond in an agressive manner.

Why are people like Hasim El Masri & Nasser Hussein so controlled and such respected members of their community? they have had an avenue to release this themos.

Young Lebs have a particular amount of issues for many reasons, and without an avenue to release themos, the frustrations they experience often results in negative social experiences and violence.

Read father daves articles for further info, but not releasing themos is like building a dam wall inside a young man, and when it bursts they do not know self control, they do not know their physical abilities and they make life changing snap reactions.

The tools are their to fix this, but will they be used?

I really believe that we need to take away the power that the word “racist” and "racism" gives to certain ethnic groups.

Discrimination based on malice and spite should be against the law regardless of who you are or where you are from. We shouldnt' discriminate.

White Australians don’t have the power of using the race card to get their way and that makes them feel frustrated and as though they don’t have equal rights and protection.

Did you know that it is against the Law to discriminate because of race, but it’s NOT against the law to discriminate against someone if they are seen as gifted or superior?

How is that fair

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I agree with you on most points. It seems that police practices over some years have been completely inadequate, and the Cronulla episode is largely a result of that. Yes, the mob was openly trying to ostracise and hurt people specifically from Lebanon and their offspring, portraying them as everything undesirable in humans. I try to avoid the word “racist” whenever I can, but in this case I must apply it.

The behaviour, words and motives of that mob -- and the many others who have jumped on the bandwagon since the riot -- must be analysed carefully and publicly analysed. What is a “white” person? What is “white purity”? What is “race” as applied to humans? What does “un-Australian” mean? Is there such a thing as “the Australian way”, or “Australian identity”?

I also agree that John Howard’s response was wrong. In fact I think he’s just continuing the sort of stance he has taken since the 1970s on these matters. His public utterances are so often equivocal, and often his silence tells more than his utterances. The same applies to his government in general, in my opinion.

But I disagree with you about analysing the problems in the Lebanese community. We must do this to deal with the causes of the thuggish behaviour of some of their young men, which is every bit as unacceptable as the behaviour of the rioting thousands at Cronulla. Tanveer’s article should go a long way to starting that process of investigation.

There was another dimension to the violence. The provocation and prior events to incite and antagonize the community at the beach were leading factors. But you can't ignore the racist element. It is there and ever-present.

Oil and water will not mix !!
What we older Australians allowed to happen some 30yrs.ago is a national disgrace. At the time the then Governments pandered to the thinking of "do-gooders" that Australia should welcome all comers to our shores. That is fine,but,what some older people thought at the time was that it was dangerous to allow ethnics to bring with them their 'cultures'and to congregate in groups, mainly in our larger cities, and make no attempt to assimilate into the broader Australian population. The result of that was we then proudly trumpeted that we were a multi-cultural nation. What a mistake!! We should be a mono-cultural nation with,if you like,a multi-lingual minority population, all being born in Australia should embrace our national language,which is English,apart from that their foreign 'cultures'should be left behind them. If they do not wish to do that then let them return to the lands of birth. Consider,if you wil,the situation where some of the ethnic's homelands attack us. Could you rely on those in our midst,who reject our Australian way of life, and expect them to fight on our side. How you solve the problem is beyond me,but, I hope that common sense will prevail and that the violence we are now seeing in Sydney will not manifest itself in other areas. Alas,I fear that this is only the beginning !! God help us if we become a nation where law and order are enforced only by the presence of armed police in our streets!
Maybe that is the price that we must pay for allowing the problem to start in the first place. I would be surprised if our grandchildren laude us for being so bloody stupid.

I said it before I say it again. This is not a “racial” BUT a “religious” issue. Like it or not.

The majority of Australians are racist. Let's not downplay that fact. Anything different to 'our ways' is foreign therefore un-Australian and odd at best.

But when it comes to this visible foreign phenomenon called islam, it goes beyond racism. Why?

Let me attempt to explain. I urge you to research it and prove me wrong.

1. For starters the religon is based on the Arabic language. The koran cannot be read satisfactorily in another language. Prayers can only be recited in Arabic (or allah won't understand).

2. The attitude of this group towards 'skips' is not simple racism but ‘denigration’. To them anything and anyone not-islamic is scum and worthless.

3. The religion of islam is about the restoration of humanity's debauchery back to allah's way; using any deception known to man in the process.

4. Australia, Europe, Asia, the Americas – actually the whole earth belongs to them by religious right. Everything belongs to allah therefore no government or people outside islam can claim ownership of any country.

5. It is a only a matter of time when all the earth will be their’s (allah willing)under one centralised islamic goverment.

So back to my initial quote: ‘religion not racism’ – please re-consider, I am begging you.

Why will they bother learning our ways, our language, when our entire system is worthless to them and will become obsolete anyway?

This is what is being taught to them and instilled deep into there subconscious. Is it any wonder we see the display of arrogance and lack of respect towards us?