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The twin failures of multiculturalism and integration : Comments

By Con George-Kotzabasis, published 9/12/2005

Con George-Kotzabasis argues Australian Muslims must be willing to cast off anything incompatible with Western culture.

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I shall be a little more ‘in your face’ with the resident racists (& I include the intolerant religious in this- there is only a superficial difference). Lets look at which side of the argument is more firmly rooted in reality. I add this because we ‘lefties’ are often accused of being unrealistic-
Let us assume that racism has its way democratically & we have a political system that allows racial & religious discrimination. Let us assume that white European descent allows us to make race & religion-specific laws. More or less, One Nation runs this place.
What next? Do we introduce a policy of race-based immigration? This would create rifts in our international standing at all levels, trade included. We are part of a global community now. To back off relations with a fair percentage of nations would be of great detriment to Australia in all ways. It would be a major risk to our security as a nation.
Do we, at the other end of the legal system, ban Lebanese Australians from Cronulla beach? Or do we ban Moslem? Or is that all dark skinned of Arabic extract? Do we show our birth certificate or DNA profile to authorities before entering the Shire? This is called ‘Apartheid’. It set South Africa back 20 years.
Posted by Swilkie, Monday, 12 December 2005 7:08:50 PM
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Could BD Realist, etc explain what legal &/or social changes they would like to see implemented that would better their cause?
The fact is that we, like it or not, live in a ‘global’ situation. The choice between ‘tribal’ & ‘global’ does not exist. We do not have ‘exclusion’ as a choice. Multiculturalism, for this nation, is inevitable. It is our challenge to manage ‘integration’. We connect too well through modern international communications & travel for us to not accept that we all are the same, in different situations.
It is our challenge as a species to resolve our differences, to accept, embrace & preserve differences in culture. To be generous with those we perceive as a little different. It is not racist to perceive difference & act on this in a way that benefits all.
It is inevitable that the races of this species will learn to co-exist. Or they will cease to exist. We have the choice….
Posted by Swilkie, Monday, 12 December 2005 7:10:33 PM
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Fellow Human, (All others posters stay out please)

>>Why is ‘our version’ of Jesus story annoying you so much? You should be happy with your belief and celebrate your truth as you see it.<<

Please stop embarrassing yourself and your fellow muslims - If this was the same Jesus you and I were talking about how come you don't call yourself a Christian like I do and celebrate Him as your Lord and Saviour?

Don't bother answering that one. You and I know exactly what your game is, right? This is one dude you cannot fool.

To you Jesus is just a prophet – and He is of course because He is also God. Well a prophet job is to prophesise, right?

Here is your question for this week: Where did Jesus prophesise about another prophet call Muhammad? And more importantly Why would Jesus send another when He himself is the alpha and the omega – the beginning and the end? The fulfiller of all prophesies?

See the difference between God and the look-alikes is that the true God gives the Holy Spirit that lives in all who believe in His Son Jesus. An experience that you cannot comprehend by staying "on the outside" trapped in rules and regulations that lead to nowhere.

It is no longer I who lives but He who lives in me. “Relationship” NOT “religion”.

When I pray I talk WITH my father God and I listen to Him. I am His adopted son and co-heir with Jesus in His kingdom.

You cannot enjoy that nor can you take it away from me because I am sealed to Him for eternity.

Where will you spend eternity?

And by the way just out of curiosity how come you have so much time on your hands to be on the internet 24/7?

Welcome to the lucky country - Enjoy it while you can. This is the only life you will ever have.
Posted by coach, Monday, 12 December 2005 7:52:09 PM
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Sydney is so dangerous these days and the cancer is spreading.Two years ago my son was assualted at Darling Harbour merely for wearing an Australian cap and enjoying the fire works.I was awoken by a mobile phone call and his pannicked pleas for help as he and his friends sprinted for safety.It all ended in a stand off between 40 thugs and a few police at the Queen Victoria building.No one was arrested since the chief offenders were under age.The racial mix was Pacific Islander,Aboriginal,Middle Eastern and a few Anglo ferals.

Just a weeks ago gets assaulted outside a local yacht with thugs bearing base ball bats club at the conclusion of function attended by parents and teachers.Two people taken to hospital.Offenders were Middle Eastern Ferals.
Also recently had to run for his life as 3 thugs in white beanies chased him while waiting for a bus at Lane Cove.

I know of so many people who get assaulted just minding their own business ,it not funny.Many are refusing to have parties for their children becase of gate crashes and violence.

It has got out of control because Govt and the PC brigade refuse to confront the problem.The police are at their wits end,they get no support from the administration.Crime stats are down because most crime goes unreported.The judicial system refuses give any real sentences since the Govt can't afford the billions to keep them in gaol.

The sore will continue to fester because this State Govt is broke and still churns out the same old spin.Macquarie Fields for example has now been reclassified as a disturbance instead of a riot.

Cronulla and Maroubra are just the tip of the iceburg and it will only get worse.
Posted by Arjay, Monday, 12 December 2005 8:05:58 PM
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The problem is simply one of law & order. The softly softly approach, developed to appease the bleeding heart lobby is the cause of troubly all over Australia.
It may be Lebonese in Sydney, or Aboriginals, in Cairns, but once the antisocial behavior has been established, in a minor way, without immediate, & heavy response, the rot has started.
Once emboldened, by lack of response the "yobo" of any group WILL become worse.
Australians, of the old school, are slow to anger, & because of that, will finally over respond, with a bang. I hope our poiltical masters have got the message, because, if they don't change the current thinking, there will be deaths in the street.
Its time to stop worring about the academic response in timbuktu, & nip the problem now.
Posted by Hasbeen, Monday, 12 December 2005 8:10:31 PM
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To Swilkie, Scout, Kym and others calling for 'realistic solutions'

Thanx..

Yes..I have suggestions.

IMMIGRATION RELATED
1/ Prior to any person coming to Australia, it will be pointed out in very clear terms that there is a prevailing culture here. Cronulla is an example of that, 90% anglo. The rest is somewhat less indeed, but still Anglo/Celt/Northern Euro is without question 'our culture' taken on a statistical basis.

-We 'shake hands' with both male and female
-we 'Hold doors open' for people who are near us when going into a shop
-We Celebrate Christmas and Easter.
-We have cultural aspects to the marraige of 2 people.
-We support the underdog.
-Our emergency services will NOT treat anyone different because of their religion, they will be treated EXACTLY the same as anyone else in the community based on the values of the prevailing culture.
Our laws will NOT be changed by 'innovative' pressure groups of ethnic or religious minorities who want things more 'suitable' for them (Interest fee loans, allowable domestic violence, bigamy, burial laws, food laws)

All of this will be explained and illustrated to would be migrants, who will sign a declaration of alliegance to uphold and respect these values, and their citizenship will be conditional on that, with any breach resulting in cancellation of citizenship within 10 yrs of taking up residence.

ETHNIC/RELIGIOUS (non Christian) GROUPS ALREADY HERE. (and us)

CIVICS classes will be compulsory in every school, including private and religious, covering subjects such as the pionerring and convict background of Australia, its poetry and art, its highs and its lows, and they will be examined on these things. Emphasis on loyalty to Australia will be a LARGE part of such civics classes. Such classes will include coverage of 'social manners' in public places.

Swilks "multicultural world" ? Sure but this is Australia, a sovereign nation state and WE....have a prevailing culture.

CONSTITUTION PREAMBLE
"Whereas the people of New South Wales, Victoria, South Australia, Queensland, and Tasmania, humbly relying on the blessing of Almighty God, have agreed to unite...."
Posted by BOAZ_David, Monday, 12 December 2005 8:17:33 PM
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