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Migrant Muslim leaders should bow out : Comments

By Irfan Yusuf, published 14/11/2005

Irfan Yusuf argues radical extremist Muslim leaders have the funding to turn young Muslims' heads.

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Hey BD, this is way off topic…I know some words of Hebrew but not enough to hold a conversation with. So best to stick with English.

BTW I’ve never felt comfortable when others decide to pray for me, particularly when it’s for something that reflects their hopes and desires not mine. Its wasted on me anyway...

Regards
Posted by Shoshana, Tuesday, 22 November 2005 4:18:13 PM
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Irfan.
Is that all you can come up with? More kitman? You're like an Australian version of Tariq Ramadan. Exactly which Old/New testament and Talmudic texts have identical messages to Qur'an 5:51, 9:5, 8:39, 9.29, Ishaq:204 etc etc? Come on man, prove me wrong, you're a lawyer and a politician and you've been on the telly.
I wont be holding my breath.
Anyway blame F_H for straying from the original topic. He/she loves to be pedantic (usually loud, confident and WRONG) about peripheral bits of other peoples' posts. The bits (s)he can't refute (usually the important bits), (s)he makes no mention of and instead goes off on moral equivalence tangents and when one challenges him/her, throws a hissy-fit while wrapped in an aura of righteousness (a bit like you, really). (S)he also has a problem with me using some of the computer facilities (cutting/pasting - what's next? typing?).

mahatma dork.
If you think that was 'an obnoxious and offensive comment', then you should get out more. Where do you live? Utopia? Toytown? I bet you over-use the word 'draconian' too. By the way, my nickname is 'Nick'.

rancidas.
So mahatma dork did a 'job' on me (yuk!) eh? Exactly how? Although anyone with a children's TV show (Goodies) collection would probably find the dorkster's comment 'funny'. Actually I borrowed the quote from MAD TV.
It's strange, but you useful idiots/quisling types haven't even commented on the main cut'n'thrust of my post(s), just the bit where I use the words 'arse' and 'fart'. Muslims worldwide persecute, murder, rape, bomb, lie, spread their noxious ideology, subjugate and do all manner of nasty things to non-Muslims (and ALL women) and all you pathetic cowards do is get yourselves in a tizzy because I called one an arsehole (we mustn't do that, must we? Muslims are sooo much more superior and sensitive than us decadent Westerners).
Posted by Skid Marx, Wednesday, 23 November 2005 1:12:21 AM
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Skid Marx.
Yes I thought Mahatma Duck did a job on you. Exactly how? Can't you see where? Intellectual argument based on reason and humour must be sooo foreign to your culture of vilification, assertion, irrelevance and resentment. Although anyone with enough sense to enjoy a TV show (Goodies) collection would probably find M.D.s comments interesting. Actually Skid Marx admits stealing the slogan from MAD TV. (And your mate Redneck gets into everyone else for offering up such material.) Obnoxious and offensive - M.D. is here to argue sensibly and you are prattling on about Crusades being in response to some long ago jihad - so exactly what has that to do with Irfan's excellent article that is trying to ensure social cohesion by teaching the youngsters better ways.
It's strange, but you useful idiots/quisling types have commented on the main cut'n'thrust of my post(s), especially the bit where I use the words 'arse' and 'fart'. This is because it is indicative of the nasty vitriol that may give you false feelings of supremacy and strength doesn't further the debate and shows you up as a base person. I don't think you want a peaceful solution.
Christians worldwide persecute, murder, rape, bomb, lie, spread their noxious ideology, subjugate and do all manner of nasty things to others and ALL women and all you pathetic cowards do is get yourselves in a tizzy because M.D. pointed out the "obnoxious" and "offensive" attitude to others(we mustn't do that, must we? Rednecks and Skid Marx are sooo much more superior and sensitive than us decadent Westerners).

Read this S.M. and the section of your post which I have paraphrased and tell me your diatribe doesn't sound like that of Muslim/Redneck rabble-rouser. The ones that agitate their zealous mates to accept terrorism as a solution. Your disrespectful carry-on is where the trouble starts. It(Skid Marx's carry-on)is foreign to this country. Irfan, from what he writes, I think, is more an Aussie than the likes of Skid Marx will ever be. Happiness.
Posted by rancitas, Wednesday, 23 November 2005 10:39:09 AM
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Ifram,
Just 1 point you would do well to make clear.

Racism. The term 'racism' refers to race. See the dictionary.
Please do not confuse the issue, by use of the term when referring to 'religion'.

People are not racist, in opposing or rejecting Islam.
People are racist when they assume one race, is inferior/superior to another.

One can oppose the ideas and teaching of Islam, while honoring, and admiring the genuine qualities of every person, of every race.

"Racist" has become an emotive term. I agree that racism is wrong.
But offering a critique, of Islam, or of Christianity, Atheism or Buddhism, is not being racist.

"Racism" is used wrongly, to label people who are often thoughtful, and yet wish to disagree with, and even refute, and point out inconsistencies in religions, and world views. It is fast becoming a term, used by the Left, to attack their opponents.
Posted by tennyson's_1_far-off_divine_event, Wednesday, 23 November 2005 12:21:48 PM
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Scrap Metals is not talking to me anymore: agugugu!:

Your brain-dead clichet (interesting to see you swapping with other mentally ‘challenged’ posters).

You live in the one book world ‘here is another great translation of the Quran by an ‘honest’ missionary. I don’t need to prove you wrong Mr Forrest Gump.

Here is a sample from your own writing:

(8:39) "So, fight them till all opposition ends and the only religion is Islam"

Meaning translation is ‘until they persecute you no more’ meaning is proven in the following and previous verse.

Your repetitive ‘slay them where you find them’ is another missionary dishonesty, the full verse (5:6,9,11) talks about those who fight you, drive you out of your homes. Until they stop their aggression.

You need to read meaning translation by a Muslim (or even a historian) like Pickthall. It is important to read what is written about specific theology as seen by there own people for no reason other than it will tell you how people see their own faith.

It sounds like you read missionary translation, your eyes blink and “uhu, uhu, uhu, good stuff, uhu,uhu”.

Get al life you wacko! Any news on your Judo Christian martial arts school?
Posted by Fellow_Human, Wednesday, 23 November 2005 1:46:34 PM
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tennyson's_1_far-off_divine_eve
Re: rascism. I posited the idea that we use the term "cultural suprematism" when discussing these matters. I thought I offered a pretty good argument. Its in OLO blogs file somewhere. Culture is generally tied to religion and ideology or some central ideology. Race often, except for the real racists, has little to do with it. I probably have more in common with people of eastern appearance than some of the more radical posters on this blog.
Got shot down too easy to just use the term racism. You may as well talk to that fence post over there as try and posit anything new in here. Humanity.
Posted by rancitas, Wednesday, 23 November 2005 5:20:18 PM
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