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Migrant Muslim leaders should bow out : Comments

By Irfan Yusuf, published 14/11/2005

Irfan Yusuf argues radical extremist Muslim leaders have the funding to turn young Muslims' heads.

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Irfan

Once again your informative, erudite and what should be an article to make people THINK, has just devolved into another site for the bigoted to spread hate and alienate both Muslims and reasonable people.

Don't let them stop you from writing such worthy articles - there are plenty of us who wish to be informed - even if we don't always contribute to the debate.

Peace
Posted by Scout, Monday, 21 November 2005 8:07:25 AM
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Ari
fair point, I suppose in the normal course of things, if we invited someone with a name like yours, our general awareness of Jewish food habits would stir us to at least ask "Are you strict in regard to food ?"..or.. are u ok with beef or lamb roast ?

The issue of 'blood' arose in the early church also, and it was specifically forbidden to eat 'blood'. The reasons were its association with idolatrous practices and also the obvious carry over from their Judaistic background.(for the Jewish Christians) But the gentile Christians were forbidden to eat blood and abstain from immorality. I seriously doubt that the 'kocher' practice was passed on to the Gentile Christians, rather, they no longer ate blood as in 'blood pudding' or in any way remeniscent of idolatrous practices.

Animals slaughtered by bleeding them would be quite acceptable.

Its worth noting that even the Muslims are allowed to each meat which does not have 'flowing' blood, i.e. where an attempt has been made to remove it.

Ari, if I can be a bit pedantic here. The idea that Kocher slaughtering removes every 'molecule' of blood seems quite fanciful.
The point G-d is interested in, is the condition of your heart, not the content of your stomach.

Isaiah 1:11-13
<<"The multitude of your sacrifices - what are they to me?" says the LORD. "I have more than enough of burnt offerings, of rams and the fat of fattened animals; I have no pleasure in the blood of bulls and lambs and goats. When you come to appear before me, who has asked this of you, this trampling of my courts? Stop bringing meaningless offerings! Your incense is detestable to me. New Moons, Sabbaths and convocations - I cannot bear your evil assemblies.">>

It is not 'issues of non assimilation' alone which make a person unwelcome in Australia, it is the desire to ENFORCE through violent revolution and terror, those things. Last time I checked, I don't see vegetarians or buddhists taking down large buildings with flying bombs. This, was my point.
Posted by BOAZ_David, Monday, 21 November 2005 8:24:52 AM
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And the bun-fight continues.
Posted by Scout, Monday, 21 November 2005 8:26:44 AM
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BOAZ_David: Just to let you know... one of the links you mentioned - the "Ask Imam" one, with Mufti Desai is generally taken as something of a joke by most Muslims who are active online (either forums, blogs and so on). Most people would not quote it as a reference, or look at it for support regarding anything other than a very, very culturally strict Indian sub-continent type of thing.

The same for "Islam Q&A" which is nothing but Saudi-sponsored Salafi stuff, straight up and down.

Just checking the content of some of the questions on these sites should be enough to see that - or the replies given!
Posted by dawood, Monday, 21 November 2005 9:04:31 AM
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Boaz,

Not a second I ever denied the danger of islamist radicalism.
In fact, I appreciate its dangers a lot more than you think because I am inside the faith..
I have seen radicalisation and disguised fundamentalism in Europe. I have also seen the 're-invented' Muslim brotherhood with their funky approach but still the same agenda: to control..

All I am saying is that 'lighting a candel is better than cursing the darkness'. Whinging about fundalmentalists and their money and their power to lure Muslim youth won't help.

My mini blog in week one, already have 70-80 Muslim youth watching it and emailing me topics to give an insight on. My comments on treatment of copts in Egypt was their favourite topic and they want to read more.

Kalweb,

Thanks for your encouraging words, much apprectiated.

Skid Marx, (Not Scrap Metal, not Stink Matress, etc..)

'copying and pasting' from perverse books and news headlines is not exactly intellectual, but cheap propagandist approach.
You seem offended that I am commenting, I thought you are for free speech.

Re Hadith, I published a comment on my blog which received a lot of praise from many Muslim youth in Sydney so far.

People can either be part of the solution or part of the problem.
I chose to be an active part of the solution.

Peace,
Posted by Fellow_Human, Monday, 21 November 2005 9:22:36 AM
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With respect, Shieeet Marx i think Mahatma Duck just did a job on you. Funny as - thanks for the laugh M.D. re: "If I want to talk to an a*sehole I fart." Save me digging out my "Goodies" collection.
As any fule kno, those that be full o' shieeet do let some slip.
Posted by rancitas, Monday, 21 November 2005 10:13:40 AM
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