Irfan....thanx for vindicating all I've been saying for so long.....

"Its the radicals who drive the agenda"

Sneekepete, in Shia Islam there 'is' a heirarchy mate.. different from Sunni.

I suggest that people wondering about what "Islam" is about, should look up "sharia law" specially in regard to captive slave women.

Ask the following:

1/ Does Sharia apply today ?
2/ Does Sharia law, which clearly applies today allow a man to have up to 4 wives and as many slave girls as the Islamic state allows him ?
3/ On what grounds does the 'Islamic state' allocate captive slave girls ? a good performance in Jihad ? Wealth ? Kinship ties with the ruling elite ?
4/ If so, would this not be an 'incentive' for young muslim males to see great reward for fighting hard in Jihad ?
(i.e. for the glory of Allah or the glory of...(fill in yourself) )

5/ If there are examples of 'Sharia' law introduced in a low key manner into Australian society and legal system.. is this not the 'thin end of the wedge' ?

REASON. I think I'm beginning to see the source of your animosity towards posts like mine. You have an image of God in your head which is of your own manufacture. When people contribute along lines which disagree with or are offensive to your manufactured 'god image' you are unhappy.... I strongly encourage you to seek a balanced and revealed picture of God based on Scripture alone.

Irfan recognizes the problem, and describes it well, but under circumstances of greater political/populational power, the attitude of 'average friendly' muslims will increase in tempo just as Mohamed's did as he became powerful in Medina.

REALIST...I'm interested in your office in Malaysia and the situation you described re government help etc.. can you email me at jdrmot@tpg.com.au I'd like to ask u about that if u don't mind.
P.S. I speak fluent malay and have done public speaking in it.

The problem with Irfan's thoughts relate to the latest threats to 'muslim apostates' in the UK. Just how United the UK remains will depend on whether 'moderate muslims' can withstand pressure from Islamic purists who see Westernised Christianity as a deplorable bastardisation of their faith.

Irfan,

Nice to see such an insightful article from a member of the community.

I have long seen the danger as arrising from the Wahabi sect, funded and trained in Saudi Arabia, which then exports the message to the world.

I agree this sect is the major cause of the problems we, and the rest of the OECD (among others) are facing. I personally believe that the most appropriate solution would be for the government to monitor, and refuse entry to these clerics (and psuedo-clerics). this Wahabi sect is the same on responsible for the training (and beliefs) of the taliban, al-quaeda, JI etc.

I would appreciate informed suggestions from members fo the islamic community, regarding how best to proceed. The current changes are rationalised as being necessary for the security of Australia, and for the welfare of Australians. Whether or not I agree with them, they have a degree fo popular support, therefore it is our interest to examine the cause of these draconian laws, in order to remove any need for them to exist.

Hey Irfan! I have got a confession to make. Just like most Australians, I have had sex outside of marriage.

As a Muslim, I presume that you must believe in Sharia Law?

So do you think I should be stoned to death for my sin?

If you do, them why the hell should I allow people with your barbaric, cruel and medieval mindset into my country?

A friend of my brother was murdered in the latest Bali bombings. I have no time for moderate Muslims who sound nice, but who do nothing.

Ifran,
You are saying the right things; but you appear as a lone westernised voice in an extreme belief system of shari'ah law.

If Islam dealt with the spirit and attitude of the individual rather than the enforcement of their view of divine law on a wider society much of the hate would be dealt with. Unfortunately the exponents of the Qur'an define personal behaviour in terms of adherence to divine laws for its followers.

It does not empower individuals to live free and wholesome lives, but guides every move and controls every thought holding them under restrictive laws.

Visit any Muslim religious website and see the type of questions asked about trivial things, eg What does the Qur'an say if I dye my hair? How can I not listen to songs of infidels while at the hairdresser?

Their lives are governed by the leadership of cleric advisers, like consulting a guru or star chart. Their mental status is often infantile and susceptible to suggestion.

When they are told not to question the Qur'an because 'Allah knows best' on issues such as capturing women as sex slaves if fighting jihad. It doesnt liberate people to live compassionate lives by their own good conscience, but occupies the mind of angry criminals to indulge in a religious cultural revenge. Their view of jihad is justified because it feeds their base selfish passions. That is why angry young testosterone driven males find violence fulfilling.

Is it any wonder advanced and intelligent societies see Islam as primitive and barbaric. Its tenets are not open to change, question or challenge.