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Migrant Muslim leaders should bow out : Comments
By Irfan Yusuf, published 14/11/2005Irfan Yusuf argues radical extremist Muslim leaders have the funding to turn young Muslims' heads.
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Posted by Skid Marx, Thursday, 1 December 2005 12:05:16 AM
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So Skid Marx you dishonestly forget to mention the fact that you attacked another blogger with the words “you, patronising half-wit. If I wanted to listen to an arsehole, I’d fart.” That changes the complexion of the whole thing.
You go into this rather silly spiel attacking me for giving you a bit of your own back. You have proven nothing Skid Marx except your inability to see your own misgivings and foolishness. The reasons for my having a go at you - you conveniently overlook. You overlook your “obnoxious and offensive" comments directed at other posters. I don’t usually get into tit for tat (or should I say tit for twat). A twat also refers to a c*nt and given your foul mouth and childish responses - it is more likely than not that that was your intended usage. Maybe the reason you are having trouble accommodating the positives of Muslim culture that Irfan portrays so nicely is your attitude to others. Your vitriol towards M.D. and now Rancitas is a clear example of the hatred and disrespect that agitators use to cause trouble amongst cultures. It certainly doesn’t earn too much respect amongst serious posters. It is heartening to see that you are multi-cultural with your respect for other immigrant groups. I think you will find that there were people, like you, who opposed these people (Vietnam, Africa, India, China etc )coming here too. You walk into any Christian, Muslim, redneck venue and start mouthing off the way you do. Do you think you would be “fitting” in very well ? Maybe it is you who needs to adjust your attitude. I have never suggested appeasement for terrorists - nor have any other posters that I can recall. Skid Marx - what have the nice Muslim folk ever done to you to deserve all your hatred? I am awake Skid Marx. Well and truly awake to your motives. (cool breezes) Posted by rancitas, Thursday, 1 December 2005 12:36:11 PM
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Can you explain the emotion of hate to me? I have never experienced it. I have experienced distate, disrespect, abhorrence, disdain - all horrible feelings. To hold hate against another (person or race) must be very crippling? I gather that it is a more intense feeling/emotion than unresolved anger?
I know it at the hands of my family. Religion can drive it to like when many times my mother would claim "god made you a man" and persist with efforts to change my persona or sexuality. It is all one. At the approach of every Christmas I feel this uprising of unresolvable grief inside me at the suffering I've had to endure at the hands of my mother and father, with my brother and other relatives as allies. It takes right up until February or so for me to get over the hurt and pain of their hatred, hostility and rejection. It is extraordinary but chillingly possible that a family can organize itself into a conspiracy to alienate and isolate a member which defies its narrow-minded worldview, so that the outcast person has not a single soul left in the family at all. My tears could fill a harbor. I bear testimony to the consequences of severe hatred under the cloak of false respectablity inspired by religion. I note that my father has risen to power in the family driven by the accelerating wealth of his business. Posted by Inner-Sydney based transsexual, indigent outcast progeny of merchant family, Sunday, 11 December 2005 6:37:18 AM
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Inner City,
A short answer is there is no hate. What you have is a clear and present danger of some: Intellectualizing and politicizing a subject matter that has no premise. The Premise some on the left would have you believe Islamophobia is a racist derogatory state of mind-and Irf is a moderate. Simply put Crap. Just read the text of people’s commentary. Simpler explanation is: The only thing more dangerous and fatal than an Assassin’s bullet, is an Ideological premise of a psychopathic interpretation of Metaphysics, “Leftoids” and the half education to realize what part of a biological function creates reaction and what conditions it to react in such a way. Easy, Survival. The basic most incredible self preservation tool the body possesses. Read more here: http://www.nimh.nih.gov/press/oxytocin_amygdala.cfm You can see why the assassin- lay in the mind of some who have a greater need to suppress your natural instinct. Your only weapon to defend your self. I can not reproduce obvious language in relation to the subject matters, through fear most would not understand it, and so an effort for most with out a postmodern degree in deceptive language, I hope real clinical science helps explain: this will help. And remember, it is something learnt. And it is your biological defence weapon - your learnt threat: "Neurology" There are Truths . Posted by All-, Sunday, 11 December 2005 8:06:54 AM
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INNER....
I really don't think it is appropriate to publically denounce your own father in a forum like this no matter how you feel. I've actually had a bit to do with your dad in business, and whether it is good or bad, it would not be appropriate for me to comment either way in here. Its a cheap shot by you at them, specially mentioning by name. Have you explored the medical side of your situation ? have you had any kind of genetic examination, I believe there are possibly some medical reasons for what you are feeling. If there are, then it might alleviate some of their perceived hostility. I think we all have occasional feelings of 'opposite gender' in our psyches, but thats pretty normal. We don't encourage or build or re-inforce those things because our predominant disposition is according to how we are born and socialised. Do not discount the importance of socialization in terms of self identify. If they are Christian, then they will be struggling with your situation for various reasons. I can't for the life of me figure out why you would want to 'change gender' when you know full well that at your deepest level you are a male, as born. (unless there are hormonal/medical reasons) If you were born with male 'equipment' and there are no medical reasons for your feelings. Then I can only conclude its all 'in the head', in which case I encourage you to seek counsel and therapy. Brain chemistry is an interesting subject. Posted by BOAZ_David, Sunday, 11 December 2005 4:28:27 PM
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"Its a cheap shot by you at them, specially mentioning by name."
When a certain course of conduct may be morally wrong, but legally ok, informal sanctions tend to be most effective if negotiation or communication fail. Naming might not bring any immediate change, but can in the long-term can cause exposure and force reflection and contemplation on a recalcitrant party. It is useful if the recalcitrant party is behaving immorally, unethically or abusively and running around with a cloak of respectability like they're better than everyone else. The powerless don't have much in their arsenal. Naming can be the biggest blow that one can make. I don't recall the last time in over a decade they've shown me any emotion on meeting, told me they love me etc. When visiting their home in Norwood, Adelaide [surrounded by million dollar properties] after a week in St Kilda, my brother spoke to me but they were on a trip for business in Brisbane. He wouldn't even invite me in and I find out later he was under express instructions not to "let that thing in" "Have you explored the medical side of your situation ? have you had any kind of genetic examination, I believe there are possibly some medical reasons for what you are feeling. If there are, then it might alleviate some of their perceived hostility." Who'll pay for genetic testing---the tooth fairy? "I can't for the life of me figure out why you would want to 'change gender' when you know full well that at your deepest level you are a male, as born. (unless there are hormonal/medical reasons)" Of course you couldn't. Few would understand. There is a medical reason. Under the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Psychiatric Disorders of the American Psychiatric Association, Gender Identity Disorder is a documented mental disorder. The typical and proven peer-reviewed approach is to prescribe hormone therapy for individuals and render surgery to those who want it and are stable. Posted by Inner-Sydney based transsexual, indigent outcast progeny of merchant family, Sunday, 11 December 2005 4:58:55 PM
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".....I think your intent is to be malicious," " ...Self-respecting folk like to be spoken to sensibily". This from a self-righteous pseudo-humanitarian whose first post directed at me opens with "With respect, Shieeet Marx..."
and ends with the tolerant "those that be full o' shieeet do let some slip." So, let me get this straight, when rancidas is provocative - that's OK. When anyone of a different viewpoint is counter-provocative they are "cultural and racial supremacists". Sounds a bit like Hamas/Hezballah/Fatah murdering Israeli civilians and when the IDF target the perpetrators, Hamas/Hezballah/Fatah fume/seethe about "Israeli aggression". Sheer hypocracy.
These tactics doubtless impress the ignorant and credulous, but others here are not so willing to be diverted from the real issues.
"...I have proven that you agitate like a terrorist propagandist (by stereotyping and demonising others)." First of all, you have 'proven' zilch, and furthermore, I am more than happy to live with a rainbow of races and religions (although I choose to be an atheist - what's all this "Your mono-culture of Christians" guff? and yes, Christianity's history is MUCH better than the one I loathe), so long as that religion is not politically totalitarian. Plenty of believers in exotic creeds alien or new to the West have managed to fit in perfectly well, and be friendly neighbors and loyal citizens, even if they came from Vietnam, Africa, India, China etc. Only one group, one belief-system, distinguishes itself by being incapable of fitting in. And that is Muslims, and Islam.
Tolerance of intolerant people is cultural suicide. It has become patently obvious that no amount of coddling, compromising, or rehabilitating these people will change their "hearts and minds," period. They want it all, and they've even said so. Good grief, what has Islam ever done to deserve all of this ridiculous appeasement?
So, you've read my stuff and usually switch off because it is 'irrelevant and unhelpful'. Prove it!
A twat (not a profanity - slang) is an idiot, logically-challenged, a dork, a schlemiel, a half-wit - comprende?
WAKE UP!