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Send Muslims home? Fine, I'll go to East Ryde : Comments

By Irfan Yusuf, published 21/7/2005

Irfan Yusuf argues Australian Muslims are as worried and concerned about terrorism as other Australian citizens.

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Trinity: I stand by my original quote re: Irfan and friends. "Well said folks. That is the true Aussie spirit.
A person who learns how to hate unlearns how to love.
A religion that teaches how to hate to the extent that it learns how to terrorise has unlearned its own message and betrayed its own followers.
An Australian who teaches hatred towards his fellows is not an Australian.
A human who learns how to terrorise is not humane.
Anyone who terrorises a citizen, a friend, a nation, a religion has been defeated already - by their own hatred."

As well, I am convinced more than ever that love and the blessing of life itself goes beyond race, ideology, religion and culture. Hate puts these things above life and love. Terrorism is the ultimate disrespect of love and life. Terrorist thinking remains imprisoned in its own culture of killing and desire to force change through fear. This often goes beyond their own teachings.
I see the seeds of this behaviour in these forums. In my culture we believe that there are attitudes that go beyond race, culture, ideology, etc. There is a myriad of different situations, reasons, understanding, and attitudes. To top it off there are many degrees of behaviour, committment, education, influences, delusions and so on. I think Jesus saw this and hence the Golden Rule. Thus, I think, all other passages in the Bible become subservient to this and given Jesus stand on monogamy - even negate others. So I think there are terrorist mindsets and these come in degrees. Some will blow up things, others trawl through forums looking to inflame. I see this often in these blogs. The people attacking my anti-terrorist blogs are aligning themselves with violent thinking.
I am not Christian and I think those who drag in irrelevant stuff to attack clearly anti-terrorist writing use their religion to give authority to their bigotry. They are ideologues first and foremost just like the terrorists. Yes Trinity - i don't think certain bloggers want to open up understanding, despite their claims, but destroy it.
Posted by rancitas, Monday, 25 July 2005 12:41:01 PM
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Made a mistake. No time. Meant to write: Terrorists are imprisoned by their own race, ideology, religion and culture. It takes over from their humanity and morphs into killing and cruelty. It blocks them from seeing their own humanity and potential to do positive things. As St. Paul says love will one day free people and if you imagine you can change my thinking on that, you may as well order me to pick lettuce from an apple tree. If you want to know why I think these things then you can go and read my blogs, especially, the ones on how I think good means can only result ultimately in good ends and how bad means, such as terrorism, lying, adultery,etc whilst they might achieve immediate results (like getting re-elected or misrepresenting someones views), ultimately lead to an undermining of the universal truths. I think the first duty of a good citizen is to preserve those truths. Political correctness is a part of that duty to others. The terrorists are my enemy and I refuse to lower myself to their level. As St. Paul says and Irfan points out love is stronger than terrorism. If you imagine you can change my thinking on that, you may as well order me to pick lettuce from an apple tree. Just give hatred the sack. What one hates in others culture, ideologies, race, religion one must not condone when it turns up in your own. Rancitas is as rancitas ........ fill in the spaces.
Posted by rancitas, Monday, 25 July 2005 1:48:38 PM
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Well trade, I guess you can always go to another forum on another website.

Given that a delusion (a fixed, false belief system - not based on fact and out of context with the person's sociocultural background - which cannot be reasoned or argued with - is held with unshakeable conviction - and which is not shared by others) is a key indicator of severe psychotic illness, it seems to me that you are suggesting that posters to this thread are all psychotic? Now that is a very interesting proposition. As a psychiatric/mental health nurse of some 30 years duration, I find your suggestion quite mind boggling! You've got me wondering where I went wrong in my own education and the teaching of others at university level.
Posted by kalweb, Monday, 25 July 2005 6:37:08 PM
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Moving to a foreign land & culture is generally only done for one of two reasons; fleeing from persecution, or better economic prospects.

Australia, along with western Europe, is quite happy to see its unrepresentative leaders remove them from traditional cultural ties and, whilst not acknowledging its liberal traditions being a result of these Judeo-christian foundations, is happy to accommodate all & sundry and expects that migrants will see the virtue of our easy going society.

So where does this lead us? One would hope that we do not end up with the 'Spanish Reconquest' solution where, rather than addressing these issues when they emerge, we leave them to the point where an all out battle, followed by an Inquisition is the only way of restoring the initial culture.

http://www.islamicity.com/education/ihame/default.asp?Destination=/education/ihame/5.asp

"Until the Inquisition, furthermore, conditions in Spain were not intolerable. The Christians permitted Muslims to work, serve in the army, own land, and even practice their religion - all concessions to the importance of Muslims in Spain's still prosperous economy. But then, in the period of the Inquisition, all the rights of the Muslims were withdrawn, their lives became difficult, and more began to emigrate. Finally, in the early seventeenth century, most of the survivors were forcibly expelled."
Posted by Reality Check, Tuesday, 26 July 2005 10:44:31 AM
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Reality Check,

Checked out your web link.

Contrary the glowing story of Islam under the Moors, the Christian memory is somewhat different - Spain under the Muslim Moors was not the jewel of Islamic tolerance for Christians and Jews that your web link purported it to be.

Just for starters, in AD 920 all the inhabitants of Muez were put to the sword. Cordova, Zarajoza and Merida were burned to the ground, with all adult males executed and all women and children enslaved. In AD 1066 all the Jews of Grenada were slaughtered. In AD 1126, all the Christians of Grenada were deported to Morocco.
Posted by David Palmer, Tuesday, 26 July 2005 12:04:44 PM
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Dear David,

couldn't agree with you moor (oops) more!

I chose this link because, as a sensitive, tolerant and non-judgemental person, I couldn't find a website that praises the actions of Ferdinand & Isabella without bringing up some anti-catholic slander!

Other than Spain, some of my favorite historical events pertain to Lepanto, and some of the Austro-hungarian outposts that faced the civilising effects of the Ottomans.
Posted by Reality Check, Tuesday, 26 July 2005 12:29:41 PM
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