Muslims are not Australian, no matter what citizenship they hold - 'Australian' is more than a piece of paper of mere legal status.

I am a fifth generation Australian with English and Irish heritage. If I were born in China will you call me Chinese - I do not look Chinese, I do not speak Chinese, I have no Chinese culture, I have no Chinese ancestry etc... I do not look like a duck, sound like a duck or walk like one and I am not a duck!! A Muslim is not Australian.

If I were born in international waters would I be of no nationality...? It is clear that where someone is born should have no weight on the question of their nationality. This makes sense, after all it is man made borders we are talking about - and what if I were born on the border etc. A Muslim is not Australian.

Islamic culture is at war with Australian society - in particular Lebanese have nothing but hatred for Australians and Australian Society.

It is not a question of international terrorism, but a question of the terror faced by Australians on the streets of our society, terror from Lebanese who hate Australians because we are Australian and 'Infidels.

It is a culture of hate for our society and people - we are Infidels to even the moderate Muslims.

Australia needs to make sure that not one Australian girl has the chance of being gang raped by Lebanese in Australian society because she is Australian.

It is time that citizenship meant love for this country and it is time that Australia takes back our society.

Our ancestors built this country and it is being handed to Lebanese who hate us and our society.

It is a 'clash of civilizations' of 'us versus them'!

Lebanese Muslims in Australia should be worried beacuse Australia has had it!!

You think that because of the terrorist bombings in London that I think every Muslim is a terrorist and I am as 'ignorant as the US' - I am not that stupid - I am referring to issues about our society which have existed for 15 years - I am not talking about terrorism at all.

-Australian girls are gang raped by Lebanese, not for 'pleasure' or for 'power' as in common in rape, but because they are Australian and are hated. There has been a spate of such attacks.

-There is a special police task force working in the Western suburbs, Task Force Gain, set up to fight "Lebanese gangs" - the NSW Police use this description.

-There has been a culture of 'hand guns' and 'drive by shootings' introduced into Sydney by Lebanese - the drive by shooting on the Lakemba Police Station; the double murder drive by shooting in the 'Rocks' Sydney.

-NSW Police are shot at whenever they drive down Talopea St. Punchbowl - it is documented and as been reported in the press.

-Every day in the Daily Telegraph there will be some report where the Police are seeking men "of middle eastern appearance", i.e. Lebanese.

The Islamic culture does not assimilate into Australian society and it is Lebanese youths who are not devout Muslims at all and would have nothing to do with terrorism - it is not the issue - the issue is Islam in Australian society.

I will not have my daughter gang raped by Lebanses in Australian society because she is Australian and hated - It is time to 'cleanse' our society and deport Lebanees Muslims who openly do not love Austrlaia,...

...whether they were born here or not is not the matter - they do not look Australian, they do not speak english, they have no Austrlaian culutre, no Australian ancestry - and they themselves say they are not Austrlaian, indeed they say they are proud "Lebs"...

I think I must be living in a different part of Sydney, yet it seems to be the middle of Auburn.

Many of the Lebanese youth here are not religious at all - many don't even attend the weekly Friday prayers. The same can be said for many other youth of different ethnic backgrounds.

There is a problem with the gang mentality, and i applaud the police for dealing with it. Gang culture, no matter what ethnicity or ghetto is abhorrent and needs to be dealt with.

I find it funny - I am a convert to Islam, so how is my religiousness at war with my identity?

You repeat over and over that it is an issue of Islam being against Australian values - yet constantly make reference to ethnicity.

Have you ever met any 2nd generation Lebanese?

I think I must be living in a different part of Sydney, yet it seems to be the middle of Auburn.

Many of the Lebanese youth here are not religious at all - many don't even attend the weekly Friday prayers. The same can be said for many other youth of different ethnic backgrounds who are Muslim. So how does their Islamicness come in to play at all?

There is a problem with the gang mentality, and i applaud the police for dealing with it. Gang culture, no matter what ethnicity or ghetto is abhorrent and needs to be dealt with.

I find it funny - I am a convert to Islam, so how is my religiousness at war with my identity? You repeat over and over that it is an issue of Islam being against Australian values - yet constantly make reference to ethnicity... Many posting here do not even accept how the mainstream Muslim opinion understands their own texts, and instead uses way out fringe/random references that have been discredited for centuries by mainstream scholars (especially contemporary scholars), just to back up their opinions on Muhammad being a pedo, Muslims being told to hate non-Muslims, the 'jihad' verses abrogating all the 'nice' ones and so on.

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Have you ever met any 2nd generation Lebanese? I am an in-law to one of the bigger Lebanese families here and all of my extended in-laws that I have met are working full time, in respectable jobs, and many have tertiary level education, including law, teaching and other professions. How are they scamming from the taxpayer and other such nonsense?

Also what is all this nonsense about the Adhan playing 5 times a day? The only time I have heard it on loudspeakers since i came here over a year ago was during a Turkish cultural day, and it was only once, at around 1pm, with permission from the local council to do so.

dawood,
The problem may be that these displaced nominal Muslim youth are angry with our our society, and with their identity with Islam.
Quote, "Many of the Lebanese youth here are not religious at all - many don't even attend the weekly Friday prayers."

Australian democratic values allows each person to hold and practise their religion; strict adherence to Shari'ah denies this right.

Quote, "I find it funny - I am a convert to Islam, so how is my religiousness at war with my identity? You repeat over and over that it is an issue of Islam being against Australian values - yet constantly make reference to ethnicity... Many posting here do not even accept how the mainstream Muslim opinion understands their own texts, and instead uses way out fringe/random references that have been discredited for centuries by mainstream scholars ...."

Also what is all this nonsense about the Adhan playing 5 times a day? The only time I have heard it on loudspeakers since i came here over a year ago was during a Turkish cultural day, and it was only once, at around 1pm, with permission from the local council to do so.

The fact is when a council is largely Muslim will they give permission for it to happen 5 times a day?

"The problem may be that these displaced nominal Muslim youth are angry with our our society, and with their identity with Islam."

For sure, and this is something both the Australian Government/society and the Muslim Community had to address, and are working on currently. A number of community initiatives are taking place.

"Australian democratic values allows each person to hold and practise their religion; strict adherence to Shari'ah denies this right."

How do you know what Shariah does and does not do in regards to this? Specifically how it relates to Muslims in a non-Muslim environment?

"The fact is when a council is largely Muslim will they give permission for it to happen 5 times a day?"

First of all that isn't a "fact". You are conflating the "demonic Shariah" with politics, which in Australia are not the same thing, and most likely never will be. Isn't that an issue for the community itself to decide by voting rather than scare-mongering anyway? (made up of Muslims from various ethnicities, Christians from various ethnicities including Arab, Chinese, Sri Lankan and whoever else is part of the community)

Even in Auburn, accordng to the 2001 Census there were only 13,083 people who identify themselves at some level as Muslims with a population present on census night of 56,379. Less than 10% were of Lebanese ancestry (I assume including Lebanese Christians) and it is a smaller number for Turks.

I really don't understand this fear or scaremongering when the statistics speak for themselves... I myself am happy enough hearing the Adhan inside the mosque, at home, or on my PC and I am sure many others are too as that is all they know.