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By Irfan Yusuf, published 21/7/2005Irfan Yusuf argues Australian Muslims are as worried and concerned about terrorism as other Australian citizens.
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Posted by redneck, Saturday, 23 July 2005 5:03:26 AM
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RedNeck,
Gang rape have social/educational factors and cannot be related to religions. Take the US rape and gang rape statistics (1 woman victim reported every 7 minutes) and look at cross racial (Hispanic/white/african american). They are all christians (or at least non-muslims). Most Muslims countries apply death sentence for rapists and most have less than 15-20 cases per year on a 50million + population. Regards AK Posted by Fellow_Human, Saturday, 23 July 2005 11:57:51 AM
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BOAZ Yes I simply don’t get a lot of your stuff (Ranci ..... tas?). Esoteric or just plain inaccessable. The gap between your signifier and the signified is too great for me. Either I am dumb or you’re trying to be too clever. I think I know which one you will choose. The harshness in your words comes from their smart alecness, unchristian and divisive nature. All the wars and atrocities you mentioned were caused precisely because of political incorrectness and divisive assertions like you and your anti-otherthanus mates pump out. No you don’t welcome the fact that people disagree with you otherwise you wouldn’t attack their ideas with such venom. Irfan’s article was more, ironically, Christian than your writing – because you sir just don’t get the message in the Bible. I try to imagine Jesus deciding whose words would have more value - your belittling politically incorrect divisive, pro-violence responses or Irfan’s anti-terror words advocating love. .
I understood exactly what you meant by your snide assertion that I my “brain” was conditioned by trendy PC thinking. You clearly implied that I couldn’t think for myself. I think the PC incorrectness mob are the ones following the herd and can’t think for themselves. That word trendy pops up frequently when the right (your herd?) want to belittle people’s opinions. My PCness in part comes from my Dad. He fought in New Guinea and after an Aunt told me of his experiences I suggested (It is along story) to him that he must really hate the Japs. He said that he fought fascism and held no grudge against the Japs – “they’re no different to us at heart its those mongrels that stirred them up…”. He did begrudge Hirohito for not being made accountable. Dad blamed the war more on the negative propaganda merchants, like yourself, who stirred people up. You Boaz constantly attack differences in culture; seldom the positive things common to us all. Dad often reminded me that hatred gets you nowhere especially in conflict and disrespectful carry on (in today’s terminology political incorrectness) only causes strife. Posted by rancitas, Saturday, 23 July 2005 3:06:45 PM
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Boaz: Just because people are, according to you, pre-committed to my destruction doesn’t mean I am going to take on their behaviour. I am going to play fair. Being a true Christian is a high-risk life. It’s a long hard road when building a decent world on rock (I am not Christian I reject all religion). You Boaz can join the war mongering and political incorrectness mob – but don’t impose “madness” onto others choosing the PC approach in life.
Advocating PCness is not “madness” but a positive step towards a more sane world. Language carries connotations and implied meanings. Jesus spoke his truth clearly and without malice. Try simplicity instead of sef-indulgent artifice. Your assertions and opinions are laced with political incorrectness, ambiguity and plan nastiness. We can just pump out political incorrectness and build our house on fear and control, but it will fall down around us and sink into chaos and terror. Do you think the terrorists get their hatred rolling by being politically correct and advocating love? Was Hitler politically correct in his discourse? Were the Rednecks of deep south US politically correct in their propaganda and racist violence? We must not stir up hatred. You didn’t assert that communists be vetted. You clearly stated “immigrants” must be vetted. Thus the assertion was racist. Just as your preoccupation with attacking immigration suggests a racist attitude. “Racism” is not a “silly mantra” (Bolt speak)but a serious problem. And your original statement that I was “projecting hatred” in my blog was plain nasty tactics. No I did not. I think you deliberately and maliciously misrepresented to readers (and yourself) what I had said to inflame. I think your ideas/values aren’t built on the ‘Rock ‘ but right-wing propaganda and a political ideology. An ideology that sounds like it is hard and strong but is at heart cruel, hypocritical, empty and dare I say: “POLITICALLY INCORRECT”. And why the communist angle - what has that to do with my blog? I think Irfan and his likeminded fiends have that true Aussie spirit. Good on you folks (Irfan and friends). Posted by rancitas, Saturday, 23 July 2005 3:46:21 PM
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My children tell me that at school some particular children are treated like animals by some of the mean teachers and that most teachers do not like the Middle Eastern boys in particular. My children say it is obvious that some teachers pick on them and treat them with disdain and nobody ever says anything.
Parents are told that their child is being bad and is misbehaving and everybody believes it because they are of Middle Eastern background when in fact they are being targeted and treated unfairly and they misbehave out of despair. Of course it's not all teachers, some teachers are wonderful but certainly there is enough to cause many of our young men to hate as they spend alot of time in this environment. This type of thing isn't limited to teachers, many adults behave the same towards these boys. There is alot of discrimination and racism that remains unchecked and that is causing alot of problems with our youth as they are growing up angry. Posted by Jolanda, Sunday, 24 July 2005 8:47:12 AM
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Rancitas
This is not 'root canal' work, its discussion. I fail to see where you find 'HATE' in last couple of posts... I'm bewildered. Translating a fairly congenial and reasoned disagreement with your position is hardly 'vicious hate' but then, I find that is how many on the PC front interpret disagreement. Very sad. I call on other posters to be the jury. I claim If hard core communists who take the view of 'dictatorship of the proletariat through any means' including violent revolution vis-a-vis Pol Pot. err.. why would any sain person invite them into their capitalist country ? I further claim that to do so is social suicide. How can you say "Humanity above Ideology" when faced with this ? the mind boggles. How can you claim that this is 'divisive/hateful/etcetc' Its not about hating 'people' because of their race, its about defending your country from the inroads of National Socialism, Communism, Militant Islam, Militant calathumpianism or any group or idea which seeks to forcefully impose its view on your freedom. It is nothing more or less than social responisbility. Rancitas, if you are of the view that an XYZ community will be able to absorb a large number of ABC people and remain the same, you are deluded. Thats not an insult, its a fact. Funny thing about people, most of them prefer to remain XYZ or ABC. Rancitas, how brilliant do you have to be, to understand the simple story of Abraham and Lot. Please read it, not because its 'religious' but because it demonstrates the human predicament. Then we can discuss the matter further. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=1&chapter=13&version=31 Just the first 13 verses. What do we learn about human nature and the source of conflict here ? Posted by BOAZ_David, Sunday, 24 July 2005 9:46:40 AM
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You have made an allegation that “Anglo Saxon” men “gang raped” aboriginal women. If such gang rapes did occur, they would be against Anglo Saxon law, and anyone found guilty of such an offence would have been severely punished. I would remind you that the protection of aboriginal girls from the sexual depredations of both white and aboriginal men was one reason why aboriginal children were “stolen” by successive Australian State and Federal governments.
But there is definitely no cultural or religious sanction towards rape, or towards violence inflicted upon females, in Christian culture as there most definitely is in Islamic societies. Sydney’s Bankstown hospital is now treating two cases of female genital mutilation per month. Muslim girls are being illegally circumcised at what rate nobody knows, and this is happening in Australia, in 2005. There have been two cases of “honour killings” of Muslim girls in Sydney (that I know of) and this behaviour in Britain is so common that it has caused a statistical anomaly in the homicide rate. Muslim teenage girls are statistically far more prone to being murdered than any other group of teenaged females.