Rancitas

BD is exhorting you to read a bible text before he will conduct any further discussion with you. Not a little arrogant.

Your previous posts explained very succinctly and clearly where the hate message is in BD's posts - I hear them also. But you will never get him to admit it. He will try sleight of hand 'read this first' because he cannot engage with you on an equal footing.

The best we can do is ignore him and confine our posts to the topic. From now on I will try to do this. My time is valuable and I have wasted too much of it on unnecessary responses to the sanctimonious.

Irfan, again, has written eloquently and reasonably. It is only to be expected the anguish our Muslim community is experiencing now. Therefore, I wish to let the Muslim community know that despite the vilification from some members of the Australian community - they are just a noisy and noisome minority.

I urge all Muslims to remain in the public spotlight as much as possible by writing and communicating both to their own community and to the world at large. Terrorism is not to be tolerated. We will unite as one in our condemnation of terrorism.

Peace to all.

FIRST... l am a human being .

LAST, and very much least, l am the bordered patch of dirty l was born in, the national coat of arms on the peice of paper that my govt issues at birth and the book of religious superstition l carry under my arm.

And in between all that... l THINK for MYSELF and embrace responsibility for my self, my actions, my thoughts and my motivations.

Sometimes it would just be easier to switch off the light in my head and just blame the nearest scapegoat.

Irfan - I am so angry and frightened after seeing on TV tonight, Muslim clerics and their potential fold for fundamentalism Islam. I cried with fear.

I thought you have always said that Islam/Muslim is peaceful. What I saw tonight and what I have heard on radio today - real interviews with Islamic people in Sydney's west is nothing less that a major threat to everyday Australians.

You have access to all of this stuff. Go back and look and listen again. If that is not Islam/Muslim threatening the whole of Australian community I will eat my hat!

Irfan - I have been extremely tolerant in my posts before. Tonight's stuff is the bloody limit for me - and that bloody Islamic bloke on the radio.

There will be no peace because of the above and because people like yourself keep playing down the issues.

I doubt that I will sleep peacefully tonight.
My apologies for poor grammatical construction - I am too angry to bother.

kalweb,
The 60 Minutes Article on Muslims tonight demonstrates the developing culmination of Left Wing trendies who believed in Multicultural - a melting pot of humanity supposedly to dissapate religious difference. Religious passions are not removed by exposure to others religions.

Qur'an believing Muslims are taught to not make friends of others of different religions - they are the kafir. Al Grasby and his mob have invited the enemy into our house and we cannot remove them. The culmination of these trends will ultimately lead to civil war, as in most Muslim countries, where extremists kill moderate Muslims, as in Egypt.

We need to remove all Muslim segreationalists from Australia to Muslim countries, even if they are citizens.

Trinity, a most interesting post by you....Not only are you 'the all knowing economist' :) but u are also a mind reader.

Sadly, what I learnt from your post, is more about your own personal issues, and how you are projecting them onto me. You know the saying "The sin we hate most in others, is the one we have ourselves"

My purpose in suggesting (not demanding as you understood it) Ranc read the Story of Abraham and Lot is simple. Its a story which is illustrative of human conflict and behavior. I could have picked a slice of history from pre Islamic Bosnia or anywhere.

But the reference to Genesis has another purpose. If anyone wishes to understand Islam and the Middle East, it cannot be done without reference to Genesis, particularly from chapter 12 onward.

Islam claims it was 'ISHMAEL' (ancestor of the Arabs) whom Abraham was commanded to sacrifice, when in reality it was Isaac. If you want to know the significance of that, read Genesis 12 to end, with reference to the 'covenant' and 'who' it is through :) It has bearing on the Land issue also.

RANCITAS I don't follow your logic. People are intending to destroy all you have built your life around, and your going to 'play fair' ?
Sounds a bit dodgy and self destructive to me.

I want to follow your reasoning through in order to understand it. Hence my reference to Abe and Lot. I hope you will indulge me with that story, if not, I can find another.

By the way, you cannot 'vet communists' if you don't KNOW that's what they are. You vet IMMIGRANTS to see if they are 'communists'.. thats how it works. Nothing racist about it at all. Simple national security issue.

I have not the slightest qualm or apology for allocating 'points' to would be immigrants on the basis of our national,cultural,political and social interests.

May I see your comment on Abraham and Lot, and we can follow on with that if you are ok with it.

Irfan

As always it's been a pleasure reading your article.

Much Love to you Brother.

Tieran