Nick I. - An ideologue is someone prepared to suppress what he suspects to be true.
You are a willing Dhimmi. You sympathize with the jihadists and defend terrorism and "hope to feed the crocodile so that you are eaten last" because on some level you are deathly afraid of the violence you know they are capable of. You, as a result of your self-centered cowardly fear, have become a quisling, ready to betray your civilization for a few more years of hedonism.You have ceded the playground to the bullies.
".... I don't know what your post is about because I stopped reading it after the first line. Clearly you're misplaced ..." - If you didn't read it, how do you 'know' I'm 'misplaced'?
"Everyone else seems capable of engaging without stooping to your immature levels." Is that everyone in the world or people with your morally repugnant mind-set?
Habib had prior knowledge of the 9/11 attacks, personally trained two of the hijackers in martial arts and planned to hijack a plane. A six-year Australian police and intelligence probe found that Habib first contacted al-Qaeda during a trip to Pakistan in March/April 1998.
Later in the US, he met a group linked to two terrorist events: the murder of Rabbi Meir Kahane in November 1990 and al-Qaeda's 1993 bombing of the WTC. He attended the trial of El Sayyid Nosair, who was charged with Kahane's murder and faced trial in New York in 199. During the trial, Habib made Egyptian friends, including Ibrahim El-Gabrowny and Mahmud Abouhalima who were later convicted and jailed for their role in the 1993 WTC bombing. All were followers of Egyptian cleric Abdul Rahman, the 'Blind Sheik', charged in 1993 with Kahane's murder and with plotting terrorist attacks in the US and the murder of Egyptian president Mubarak. The 'Blind Sheik' was a long-time friend of OBL.
Habib returned home but stayed in touch with his new friends, becoming a defender of Abdul Rahman's innocence.
DFAT travel records show he was next in Pakistan and Afghanistan..... CONTINUED.

...... in December 1999 and January 2000, when he is believed to have contacted Lashkar-e-Taiba militants, who have links with al-Qaeda. Travel records show Habib again travelled to Pakistan, then Afghanistan, from March to May, 2000, where he again met with al-Qaeda.
In November the same year he again entered Pakistan. This time he met with LET.
By July 2001, the time of Habib's last visit to both countries, LET and al-Qaeda were sharing training methods, camps, and personnel. Witnesses have pinpointed Habib at the advanced al-Qaeda/LET camp from August 2001.
Detained militants have revealed there are four levels of training in the Afghanistan camps, each lasting one month. The advanced course that Habib attended can only be reached after graduating lower level camps. Three other terrorist detainees have identified Habib as being present at several of the camps, including the al-Qaeda graduate course he is accused of attending for two months from August 2001. He is also alleged to have been in contact in Afghanistan with the man who once led LET's military committee, Mohammed Atef, before he was killed during an airstrike in Kabul, in late 2001. He is believed to have met in Afghanistan - David Hicks and Jack Thomas - arrested last year on terrorism charges. ASIO intercepted a telephone conversation between Habib and his wife shortly before 9/11, in which he warned of a looming "big event" in the US. The call originated in Pakistan. It mirrored several other conversations between accused terrorists that were tapped around the same time by the Pakistani Internal Security Department. The interception was made by ASIO, who placed Habib on a watch list.
Captured in Pakistan just after the 9/11 attacks and transferred to Egypt, he claimed he was tortured (see al-Qaeda training manual). May 2002 - Gitmo.
Members of Sydney's Muslim community noted his passionate advocacy of JIHAD. He is unlikely to face prosecution in Australia because most anti-terror legislation started in July 2002, after his capture in Pakistan.
If you think the above is 'nothing', you're an imbecile.

Skid Marx =,
I agree with you on Mamdouh Habib. However he by being free here in Australia acts as a good lead to any terrorist activity being planned here.

Which prophet do we listen too?
Abraham was the first prophet to introduce monotheism, which caused conflict with his father who worshipped many gods. Abraham is the ancient ancestor of many Middle Eastern tribes as well as the religious head of Judaism and Islam. Christianity upholds Abraham only as the spiritual head of faith in only one God. He's the founder of the idea: the religious belief. Though Jews and Arabs believe this they also claim lineage from him.

Though Jesus was a Jew he claimed God as his Father because he did not represent Abraham [note this conflict in NT]. His claim was his kingdom was not a political kingdom based upon National Mosaic law, but spiritual of the heart and mind based upon spiritual and social behaviours that expressed principles not governed by minimalist acceptable behaviours. He called upon the individual to apply themselves to the absolute of their devotion to love God and neighbour with all one's being, in mind, body and soul.

In ancient times there were thought to be many gods governing all types of physical activity. Terrestrial gods governing things on the Earth and cellestial gods governing things in the heavens. This multiplicity of gods was debunked 4,000 years ago by Abraham as he perceived all events coordinated under one unifying power, except man who seemed in rebellion against the best design and practise of nature and relationships.

Since the universe had one unified principle - hence the conclusion there was but one God over all and in all. Where there is life there are cycles of maintenance and decay operating that identify a unity. The unity gives notion to the singleness of design of life in the universe. That One God gave life its character and design.

However who has revealed the character of this God? We have conflicting views! Did Jesus get it right or Mahomet?

Callow_Human -
Your bogus naivete regarding "What the heck is Judea Christianity? ... is offending to most Jewish people.... they neither believe in Jesus nor Christianity being a religion!....I am not good with religious cocktails!" cuts no ice with me. I clearly wrote "...Western, Secular-Judaeo-Christian notions..." You know perfectly well what it means. You reek of deception, smokescreens, random-pedantry and obscurantism.
Tribalism? I don't think so. Unless you call Islamic jihad ideology 'tribalism':
Mohammed Bouyeri, 26, was on welfare, was born in Holland, and spoke excellent Dutch. His “manifesto,” pinned with a knife on Theo van Gogh’s chest, quoted the Qur'an. He enjoyed dual Dutch/Moroccan citizenship. He was recruited by radical imam Mahmud El-Shershaby, in the De Baarsjes neighborhood, a known center of Islamic radicalism. Bouyeri was also influenced by a schoolmate, Samir Azzouz, a failed would-be martyr arrested in Ukraine in 2002 en route to Chechnya.
The Islamist group he belonged to, the Hofstad Network (Hofstadgroep), was involved in the same type of activities and "organized" itself in the same way as other al-Qaeda 'clone' terrorist networks that were detected waging jihad recently in Europe.
He dreamed of replacing the Dutch government with an Islamic theocracy, and was supported by a network of
like-minded fanatics (where have I heard that before?).
During his trial, Bouyeri said that he had acted in the name of Islam and felt no pain for van Gogh’s family. After reciting Islamic prayers, he told the courtroom that if given the chance he would "do exactly the same thing again".
"What moved me to do what I did was purely my faith," he told the court. "I was motivated by the law that commands me to cut off the head of anyone who insults Allah and his prophet."
Another example of Europe’s suicide-by-immigration.

Reason (how oxymoronic) -
I don't watch ANY ‘reality tv’. I get my 'propaganda' from Left/Right/Centrist media sources, anti and pro jihadist blogs worldwide.
What propaganda do YOU believe? Al-Jazeera, Al-Manar, Al-Majd TV, Air America, moveon.org , SBS, ABC

F.H. it is not 'mis' representing the Islamic faith to say that it is 'as political as it is spiritual' and that Mohamed epitomized "Islam" in his life.

It is most accurate to claim that he is used as the 'ideal' example based on uncountable Islamic sites.

Given that he is the example, it is not unreasonable nor misrepresentational to point out his own behavior, in order to draw attention to flawed claim to divine representation he made.

We have gone over some ground, including the incidents I've referred to, and you said you pointed out the logic of it.

But that logic only confirms what I've been saying all along, that Islam is 'political/Judicial/spiritual/military' its a whole of life thing. But it seeks to enforce with law, issues which can only be of the heart.

For me, Christ is all and in all and over all. The Alpha and the Omega, God in the flesh, LORD of Lords and KING of kings, God the son, and the Son of God, the way, truth and life, the one who we come to when thirsty, never to thirst again, who opens our blind eyes, heals our wounded hearts, renews our troubled minds, strengthens our crippled souls and leads us into righteousness.
He is the bread of life, the fountain of joy, the Light of the world the giver of peace. When we follow Him we don't walk in darkness.
He 'is' our peace. Thru Him we have access to God. "I and the Father are one".

He said "I, if I be lifted up (on the cross) will draw all men to myself". He is drawing you now, will you come ?

Charlotte Elliot was an invalid for most of her life who felt useless for God, she wrote this hymn

Just as I am, without one plea,
But that Thy blood was shed for me,
And that Thou biddest me come to Thee,
O Lamb of God, I come, I come