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Will the Ukraine stalemate spawn climate catastrophe? : Comments

By Andris Heks, published 7/6/2022

It is not every day that you hear two of the world's shrewdest senior voices in international affairs, George Soros and Henry Kissinger agree.

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Hi Andris,
Continuing on...

Firstly,

Kennedy advocated the national interest, whereas Soros was criticising national interest.

"i.e a push towards global government - a sellout of our sovereignty into the hands of foreign bureaucrats."

That's exactly what Soros advocated when he was criticised Xi Xinping in regards to the way he handled Covid and the 'Living with Covid' model he seemed to advocate when the end result is that our countries sovereignty is given to the WHO.

"Soros talks about Bucha and war crimes, this is not the truth.
It was Ukrainian forces who upon going back into the town when Russia pulled back were shooting collaborators and then used what they did as a context to blame what they did on Russia and to cite war crimes."

It's not true, and whilst I'm not saying the Russian's are perfect or without any fault at all, the situation is heavily misconstrued for political purposes.
The vast majority of people killed in Bucha were victims of artillery fire, beyond that it was Ukrainians that went and killed collaborators after the Russians pulled back.
I said it earlier and I'll say it again, our media promotes information it wants to sell us, and suppresses information it doesn't want us to know in order to control the narrative.
- Control the input = Control the output.

Dig through some of these links and videos on twitter:
http://en.lb.ua/news/2022/04/02/12441_special_forces_regiment_safari.html
http://twitter.com/JohnBerman/status/1510928210669842435?s=20&t=ytVfog8lGZcY720ghjmbOA
http://www.sott.net/article/466350-Special-Forces-Regiment-SAFARI-Begins-Clearing-Operation-in-Bucha-from-Saboteurs-and-Accomplices-of-Russia-National-Police
http://twitter.com/antiwar_soldier/status/1511147510336794628

"The US has actually been deliberately funding VPN's for the purposes of allowing Western aligned Russians to access western news to deliberately try to destabilite him in Russia."

"Actually, it is any access to TRUTH which is destabilising for Putin."

- If you believe this is how it should be, then why do our own western governments do the same thing?
Why do they suppress information, demonetise, de-platform and threaten our own people with lawfare or imprisonment for sharing information they would want suppressed?
- I can show you instances of western state sponsored media censorship.
Why would you not look at both sides of the argument instead of just one?

Moving on...
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 21 June 2022 3:22:53 AM
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"The Ukrainian army must fight on open terrain where the numerical superiority of Russian forces is more difficult to overcome."

This doesn't seem sensible, the Ukrainians are dug in with multiple lines of defense which they built over 8 years since 2014.
The outnumber Ukrainians 10 to 1 with artillery and have better capabilities for airstikes.
It doesn't seem sensible.

"The Ukrainians are doing their best, counterattacking, even at times boldly penetrating Russian territory."

This will only anger Russians more, harden their resolve and bolster support for Putin.
Beyond that the longer this goes on and the more damage inflicted upon Russians, the more land they will take.
This whole thing could've been avoided if Ukrainians had've more sensibly abided by the Minsk agreements which were supported by the UN.
Right now, Russia is going to take the whole Donbass, it's not going to give up Mariupol or the southern coast it has taken as a buffer zone to Crimea or Crimea itself which is now considered Russian territory, voted so by the people living there and has been for 8 years.
If the war continues, conscriped Ukrainians will continue being used as cannon fodder in a war that's in the EU and NATOs interest not Ukrainians.
Russia will take everything west of the Dnipro River, whilst citizens of the West will pay for it in damage to their economies.
The more it drags on the worse of a negotiating position Ukraine will be in.
Russia may even take Odessa.

"The US has also done its best to reduce the financial gap between Russia and Ukraine, most recently by allocating an unprecedented $40 billion in military and financial aid to Ukraine’s government. I can’t predict the outcome, but Ukraine certainly has a fighting chance."

The West has damaged it's own economies and the cost of living of it's citizens, whilst the Russian economy far better than it did before the war began.
The Western position was shortsighted, and their will to send weapons to Ukraine which can't be traced is reckless and will result in global terror attacks later on.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 21 June 2022 3:51:36 AM
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There's multiple reasons Ukraine is so important to Europe,
one is in trying to undermine Russia, and the second is energy security
- Pipelines from east Asia can bypass Russia and reduce Europes dependency on Russian oil gas and energy.

"French President Emmanuel Macron, in a significant broadening of his pro-European approach, has advocated the importance of geographic expansion, and the need for the EU to prepare for it."
Macron is now a 'lame duck' president.

"At Europe’s federal core, no member state would have veto power. In other policy domains, member states could join “coalitions of the willing” or simply retain their veto power."
"Not only Ukraine but also Moldova, Georgia, and the Western Balkans should qualify for EU membership. It will take time to work out the details, but Europe seems to be moving in the right direction. It has responded to the invasion of Ukraine with greater speed, unity, and vigor than ever before in its history."

Soros wants a bigger, stronger more powerful Europe, no matter the cost to individual nations soverignty or what the people themselves want.
They use trade and membership as weapons to achieve their own objectives.

"But Europe’s dependence on Russian fossil fuels remains excessive, owing largely to the mercantilist policies pursued by former German Chancellor Angela Merkel. She had made special deals with Russia for the supply of gas and made China Germany’s largest trading partner. Germany became the best performing economy in Europe, but now there is a heavy price to pay."

He seems to be criticising Merkel for decision that were in the German people interests.

"German Chancellor Olaf Scholz was elected because he promised continuity with Merkel’s policies and style of government. But events forced him to abandon continuity, which did not come easy, because he had to break with some hallowed traditions of his own Social Democratic Party."

Now he seems to be praising Olaf shultz decisions that have damaged the German economy
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 21 June 2022 4:11:45 AM
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"When it comes to maintaining European unity, however, Scholz always seems to do the right thing in the end. He suspended the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline, committed €100 billion ($104.8 billion) to defense, and provided arms to Ukraine, breaking with a long-standing taboo."

Soros himself is reckless and cares about his dream of a larger Europe, and less about the people who live there.

"Giving Putin permission to launch an unsuccessful attack against Ukraine didn’t serve China’s best interests. Although China ought to be the senior partner in the alliance with Russia, Xi’s lack of assertiveness allowed Putin to usurp that position."

A militarily weakened Russia make give China an opening to later take Russia's Far Eastern territories, which he is no doubtedly eyeing off for it's oil, gas and energy potential.

"The continuing lockdowns have had disastrous consequences, pushing the Chinese economy into a free fall since March."

They've also done damage to the West, which now also relies heavily on imports from China.

"Coming on top of the real-estate crisis, the damage will be so great that it will affect the global economy. With the disruption of supply chains, global inflation is liable to turn into global depression."

"For the West, the dilemma in dealing with Russia is that the weaker Putin gets, the more unpredictable he becomes. The member states of the EU feel the pressure. They realize that Putin may not wait until they develop alternative sources of energy before turning off the gas taps himself, while it really hurts, as he has done to Bulgaria, Poland, and Finland."

If China is the greater evil, then the West should've been working with and supporting Russia which is no longer a communist country.
All they've succeeded in doing is to make a bad situation worse.

- This is my 4th and last daily comment, I'll finish it up and discuss your poem and article and more tomorrow.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 21 June 2022 4:18:27 AM
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"Scholz is particularly anxious because of the special deals Merkel made with Russia."

Tell me were those deals in Germany's best interest?
Why would you criticise them unless you are not like a normal citizen and are instead thinking and acting like an elite, who was grand European ambitions.
Soros isn't like the rest of us.
He talks about giving hundreds of millions of dollars creating this mess.
He's not going to lose his job and struggle to feed his kids.
I don't really comprehend the common sense in any of it.
Germany has destroyed it's own economy trying to prolong this war.

Jens Stoltenberg says the war could last for years.
http://thehill.com/policy/international/3528991-nato-chief-says-ukraine-war-could-last-for-years/
New UK Army commander tells soldiers 'get ready to fight Russia in World War 3'
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/britains-army-must-ready-fight-27272629
These people don't care who suffers, and they aren't going to fight anyone themselves.
They'll send other peoples kids to do that.

"Draghi is more courageous, although Italy’s gas dependency is almost as high as Germany’s. Europe’s cohesion will face a severe test, but if it continues to act together, it could strengthen both Europe’s energy security and leadership on climate change."

- That's because Draghi supports a partially federated Europe.
Russia's cut gas supply to Italy as well, so the Italian people will be suffering and paying for this prolonged war, all of us will, the whole entire West.
http://www.euractiv.com/section/energy-environment/news/italy-considers-state-of-alert-over-russian-gas-cut/

Do you understand all this is because Europe and NATO want to expand their sphere of interest to other countries, and remove themselves from Russian energy dependence.
Why do you think they want Georgia a part of Europe.
- Oil pipelines - Energy from western Asia.

If the Western system was so good it would rule by example not by an Iron Fist under the pretense of democracy.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 22 June 2022 9:31:39 PM
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"Meanwhile, as the war in Ukraine rages on, the fight against climate change has had to take second place."

Always bloody climate change.
At what cost exactly?

We'll all be dead by them from WWIII and the climate will recover.

Russian TV threatens 'UK's nuclear annihilation with giant radioactive tsunami & Satan-2 missiles'
http://youtu.be/7SnTkc0r6gk

‘We'll burn anything to keep people warm’ – Czech official
http://www.rt.com/business/557571-czech-republic-gas-energy/

The whole of Europe is moving back to coal now.
Everyone is, and all these big talks about renewables, well who do you think owns all the lithium? China.

China Looks to Africa in Race for Lithium
http://www.voanews.com/a/china-looks-to-africa-in-race-for-lithium/6603201.html

Germany committed 8 Billion to help Africa to help them move to renewables for Climate Change, and it's fired up the coal stations itself.
http://www.africanews.com/2022/05/24/south-africa-s-ramaphosa-discusses-developments-in-africa-during-a-visit-from-germany-s-sc//
All this for Ukraine?
To prolong a war and use their conscripted boys, men and retirees as Russian cannon fodder?

If you want to know what I think about Climate Change read what I wrote here
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=9848#335365

This climate change agenda started from The Club of Rome, which was founded by Prince Bernhard, who also started the Bilderberg group.
Klaus Schwab started the WEF, knew about the pandemic in advance, planned the 'Great Reset' and his father worked for IG Farben who was the biggest contractor for NAZI Germany.

What's all this for?
http://twitter.com/FBNHistory/status/1538875705378881538

The conspiracy theorists were right.
What the WEF just did at Davos is insane, and we should all get ready | Redacted with Clayton Morris
http://youtu.be/qkujMSZoaoQ
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 22 June 2022 10:00:50 PM
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