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Auschwitz and the wisdom of crowds : Comments

By Mal Fletcher, published 30/1/2015

Marking the liberation of Auschwitz forces us to remember that the general principles undergirding this forlorn place were supported by popular sentiment among some very learned people.

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Lego,
The Left have never forgiven Israel for siding with the West in the cold war and we have to remember that much of the same personnel, the same theorists have dominated the Left since the 1970's.
Mal Fletcher makes dishonest usage of the Holocaust, regardless of whether you accept the narrative as a whole or reject it this type of article should raise the hackles of any intelligent person.
How long are the Leftists and Humanists going to fight the same battles?
There's a White Nationalist blogger from the states named Tim Murdock, he says that WW2 still isn't over, that we don't yet have a clear picture of how the civil war between National and International Socialists was resolved.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Sunday, 1 February 2015 9:21:04 PM
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LEGO

What do you make of Christopher Lasch’s concept of ‘associative coupling’?

This describes the process whereby male lawyers now marry female lawyers, not legal secretaries; male doctors marry female doctors, not nurses … and so on.

Pre-second wave feminism, secretaries aspired to marry their bosses, nurses aspired to marry doctors, legal secretaries to marry lawyers. One of the main reasons young women went to university was to catch a professional man for a husband.

Post-second wave feminism, lower class women can no longer use marriage as a ticket to the ‘upper’ classes. What this means is that women use education and professional qualifications as their ticket to the ‘upper’ classes, not marriage. Also, if their marriages fail, they have (in theory) heaps of financial security to fall back on. Marriage is no longer a socio-economic prison that women can’t escape from if it all turns nasty or boring – as it was in their grandmothers’ time.

Now that all the upwardly mobile intelligent women are becoming educated and qualified in their own right, all that is left to eugenically oriented men (especially as they get old and ugly and dumped by professionally qualified wives for greener pastures) is to marry lower class bimbos.

Darn … that puts your whole evolutionary eugenic theory into reverse!

Instead of men raising the quality of the gene pool by marrying pretty, silicone-enhanced bleach-blonds from the lower classes, they are actually ensuring a race to the bottom of the IQ gene pool.

Oh, well ... back to the drawing board.
Posted by Killarney, Sunday, 1 February 2015 10:30:43 PM
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Rhian

‘Though the Nazis stole property from the Jews and used them as slave labour, the holocaust was expensive in terms of resources, manpower and the logistics of moving millions of people around, which hindered the war effort.’

Yes, it would have been VERY expensive. However, an almost unknown fact of the so-called Final Solution is that the construction of the concentration camps and death camps were actually 'privatised' to German corporations.

Here is one link that explains the process. Make of it what you will:

http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/a-8bdb-Not-just-concentration-camps-but-capitalist-factories-too#.VM4nuyGvly1

The main overriding issue that drove the so-called Final Solution was that (as it was believed) Jewish financiers and bankers controlled the German economy and, to a lesser extent, the entire global economy. The wealthy industrialists of Germany, many of them from old aristocratic ‘aryan’ families, felt that they were financially enslaved to the Jewish bankers and financiers.

Add to this the wealthy industrialists and aristocrats of England and the US, who felt they were grappling with the same ‘Jewish problem’ and financed the German industrialists (through the conduit of Friedrich Thyssen), who in turn financed the rise of the Nazi Party.

(As an aside … it astounds me that mainstream accounts of the rise of Nazism never consider how on earth the Nazi Party was able to finance all their outrageously expensive shenanigans prior to their electoral victory of 1933.)

This is just scratching the surface of the economic and imperial factors that led to the Holocaust. Incredibly, the Holocaust has now become the #1 validation for all kinds of contemporary sanctions, bombings and invasions - mainly against oil-rich Muslim nations - that the descendants of the Nazi financiers (e.g. the Bush dynasty) are now perpetrating.
Posted by Killarney, Sunday, 1 February 2015 11:27:42 PM
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I couldnt care less about the holocaust.

The term wasn't even coined until 1960s or 70s. The shakedown of European banks in the 90s was the last draw for me. Apparently some Jews lost money and houses during the war! Gee, who could have guessed? Of course this could only happen in the 90s because before then the millions of other people who lost everything might have popped their heads up and said, hello!! Anybody home?

By far the best book I have ever read on WW2 was Irvings Hitlers War. It is brilliant and was on the reading list at West Point until he moved on the investigate the actual evidence of the holocaust. Of course, Muslims wonder why it is legal to publish pictures of Mohammed with something up his ar5e but illegal to question the holocaust in France. It seems speech is only free for some people. Just ask Irving. From what I understand he was ruined financially by lawfare and even spent time in prison.

Did lots of people die in the 'holocaust'. Sure. Was it 6 million? There is simple no evidence to suggest it was anywhere near there. Honest historians will admit that 6 million is just a guess. If it hadnt been used for endless political and financial advantage I might even believe it.

But in the end the care factor is zero.

Israeli laws could have come straight out of Nüremburg. As soon as they got a country look how they behaved. Occupation for 60 years with no genuine effort at peace.

What a joke.

As for 'anti-semetism' today. Jews have been at the forefront of the multi-cultural bandwagon for decades. Now they experience anti-semetism! Big deal. We lost our country and have to live with muslim thugs and the religion of peace so so can they. Care factor = zero.
Posted by dane, Monday, 2 February 2015 1:01:19 AM
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Hi Joe and Is Mise.

I am a supporter of Israel. But what I object to is Jews promoting multiculturalism in Australia and advocating non European immigration into Australia, but promoting Jewish cultural dominance in Israel and selective immigration into Israel. Jews have a "right" to immigrate to Israel, non Jews do not. I would doubt that any non Jew would even be allowed to immigrate to Israel, especially Muslims.

Israel is hardly a multicultural paradise. Whatever equal rights that the Muslims have with Jews, they do not have the right to walk around supermarkets carrying Uzis, or walk onto buses carrying weapons, like the Jews do. The reason the Israelis carry weapons in their own country is to protect themselves from the Muslims who consider the Jews to be enemy occupiers. Whatever Muslims are in government in Israel, they would either be considered traitors by the "Palestinians", or they would hold a position similar to the IRA members of the British parliament that were voted in by the Catholic minority in Northern Ireland. There may be Muslim soldiers fighting for Israel, but their numbers would be insignificant, and they would be considered traitors by the Muslims who call themselves "Palestinians", and who do not consider themselves "Israelis" at all.

Israel is a state set up by the Jews for the benefit of Jews, and it is ruled by Jews. It is a country where 80% of the people arm themselves to protect themselves from the other 20%. And the Jews in Australia wanted to impose this social ideal on Australia? Well, they got their wish. And after buggering up the social cohesion in Australia, they now have to put armed guards on Jewish schools in Australia to protect themselves from the 2.2% of the population in Australia who are Muslims. The Australians do not need to have armed guards in schools to protect their kids from Muslims yet. Although they do have guards in six NSW schools to protect the teachers and non Muslim students from the unacceptable behaviour of Muslim boys.
Posted by LEGO, Monday, 2 February 2015 4:18:52 AM
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Killarney, that's not quite true the SS was the contractor for the Birkenau crematoria, several other companies were employed as sub contractors.
The Krema II and III buildings were built by the Huta Company.
The Krema IV and V buildings were built by Riedel.
Topf built the furnaces and ventilation systems for Kremas II and III and contracted out part of the furnace fabrication for IV and V to Kluge.
Koehler erected the chimneys.
Vedag waterproofed the mortuary cellars.
Three companies -- Kontinentale Wasserwerks-Gesellschaft, Falck, and Triton -- installed the drainage system.
Segnitz manufactured roofing materials which were installed by Industrie-Bau-A.G.
AEG did the electrical work for the furnace fans and the ventilation systems.

The crematoria were needed to cope with the large numbers of corpses which resulted from epidemics, executions and deaths from other causes.
Despite a lot of technical problems resulting in the apparatus being out of action for long periods of time the crematoria were working flat out disposing of the tens of thousands of bodies.
The facilities could theoretically cope with about 500 corpses a day but never ran at full capacity, some 32,000 people died in Auschwitz in 1942 alone. Spread out over a year that's do-able but we know there were epidemics in the summer which would have either caused a backlog of bodies or forced the SS to use other means of disposal, mass graves,open air pyres etc.
Inmates would have noticed a lot of activity at the crematoria through much of the year so it's understandable that they'd buy into the Soviet propaganda about gas chambers.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Monday, 2 February 2015 8:07:11 AM
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