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Auschwitz and the wisdom of crowds : Comments

By Mal Fletcher, published 30/1/2015

Marking the liberation of Auschwitz forces us to remember that the general principles undergirding this forlorn place were supported by popular sentiment among some very learned people.

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For the record Constance I don't buy into the theory of a Jewish conspiracy, nor am I seeking to rehabilitate German National Socialism.
There have been a lot of lies told about WW2 and taboos imposed on discussion of the era, lies and taboos have no place in a discourse between rational people.
The SS contained an element of nihilistic revolutionaries, their mass murder of Jews served no purpose beyond it's stated goal of a final solution to the Jewish question and has no significance outside that era and no wider context.
Jews are still being targeted by nihilistic revolutionaries here's your clue as to "why":
"Theresa May, the British Home Secretary, condemned the hostility towards Jewish people as an attack on Britain as a whole."
http://www.theage.com.au/world/jewish-communities-seek-security-as-antisemitic-attacks-in-britain-hit-record-high-20150205-136nji.html
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Thursday, 5 February 2015 12:15:09 PM
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To be ignorant of what occurred before you were born is to remain always a child.
Marcus Tullius Cicero (Marcus Tullius Cicero, was a Roman philosopher, politician, lawyer, orator, political theorist, consul and constitutionalist.)

Jay,

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6585&page=0#198089
“Jay B,
What trouble are we in? In the 1920's Jewish led bolsheviks were running amok in Germany killing people left right and centre, not to mention what they were up to in the Soviet republics, anything Australia's Muslims have done pales into insignificance compared to the crimes committed by Bolshevik Jews in Europe in the 20th century.
You're even worse than the so called "bleeding hearts".
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Saturday, 4 October 2014 12:27:46 PM”

And you have written other posts implying Jewish influence on society.

This is one of the reasons I find you very confusing. ? And then one minute, you say it is not the Muslims fault then another minute, “oh yes, it is the Muslims fault. ??

I know you’re a white nationalist, and so was Hitler.

I have never had anything against Jews and have never brought this subject matter up before. I’m only putting historical facts down as I find them which is making me question more. I really don’t like doing this at all but I have to be consistent. And the battle goes on.

I'm very aware that the attacks on Jews, both on individuals and even a Kindergarten in France have been committed by Muslims. And the Jews and other French are fleeing France. Afterall, it has close to a 10% population of Muslims there. Otherwise, before Muslims arrived in France, the Jews were living there peacefully. It is slowly becoming worse for them.
Posted by Constance, Thursday, 5 February 2015 1:31:13 PM
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Disclosing Jewish Involvement African Slave Trade Dr Tony Martin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfdYe2Bg6no
(Implications of the so-called Enlightenment)
(The Babylonian Talmud again)

Jewish State:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars
“During the 7th and 8th centuries, the Khazars fought a series of wars against the Umayyad Caliphate and its Abbasid successor.”

“Byzantine diplomatic policy towards the steppe peoples generally consisted of encouraging them to fight among themselves.”
“Abraham Harkavy [164] noted in 1877 that an Arabic commentary on Isaiah 48:14, variously ascribed to Saadia Gaon or to the Karaite scholar Benjamin Nahâwandî, interpreted "The Lord hath loved him" as a reference "to the Khazars, who will go and destroy Babel" (i.e., Babylonia), a name used to designate the country of the Arabs. This has been taken as an indication of hopes by Persian Jews that the Khazars might overthrow the caliphate.”

Palestine anyone? Otherwise, I had always supported Israel's right for defence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaiah
“ (Isaiah 8:3) The book of Isaiah, along with the book of Jeremiah, is distinctive in the Hebrew bible for its direct portrayal of the "wrath of the Lord" as presented, for example, in Isaiah 9:19 stating, "Through the wrath of the Lord of hosts is the land darkened, and the people shall be as the fuel of the fire.”

Catholic Newspaper uncovers Jewish Plot against the Church! (update)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBgD-WbZfJg

PROTESTants:
Father of Reformist, Protestant Reformist, John Calvin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%A9rard_Cauvin
“He became involved in financial embarrassment, and was excommunicated, perhaps on suspicion of heresy.” Wanted his son to become a lawyer instead of a priest, as more money.
http://one-evil.org/content/people_16c_calvin.html
http://semiticcontroversies.blogspot.com.au/2013/08/was-john-calvin-jewish.html
'We are the Fathers of all Revolutions, even of those which sometimes happen to turn against us. We are the supreme Masters of Peace and War. We can boast of being the Creators of the Reformation! Calvin was one of our children; he was of Jewish descent, and was entrusted by Jewish authority and encouraged with Jewish finance to draft his scheme in the reformation (which was to convince Christians it was alright to charge usury and other damnable heresies which are in violation of God’s Laws).' (2)

Two Popes also Jewish (dual faiths)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Russia#Jews_in_the_revolutionary_movement

Cont.....
Posted by Constance, Thursday, 5 February 2015 1:58:36 PM
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Constance, I didn't mean to belittle you,yes it's all important information and everyone needs to know the absolute havoc this tiny group of people can wreak when left to their own devices.
Here's another blog you might be interested in:
http://age-of-treason.com/
The Semitic Controversies site I find problematic having had some online interaction with it's author, he's a shady character.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Thursday, 5 February 2015 4:39:48 PM
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Hi Constance,

Sorry, connect what dots ? 'The Irish and the Russians are both Christians, connect the dots': does that make any sense whatever ?

Yes, totalitarianism of any sort is a death cult: with hindsight, Russia, China, Pol Pot's Kampuchea, Mengistu's Ethiopia, perhaps Vietnam, all have exterminated huge proportions of their populations who didn't fit in, who doubted, or who were the 'wrong type'. But this still doesn't lessen the enormity of the Holocaust, the attempted extermination of an entire ethnic group.

I'm not so sure about the leadership of those totalitarianisms: Mao, Pol Pot, Lenin, Stalin, Mangistu - none of them were Jewish. The only Jew I can think of involved would have been Trotsky, and he didn't end up too well. The Hungarian Bela Kun was also 'removed'. Even the Extermination Ministers under the CPSU, from Dzerzhinsky, through Yagoda, Yezhov, Vishinsky to Beria, none of them were Jewish as far as I know.

You mention slave-dealers: in his seminal book, Hugh Thomas recorded only two Jews involved in the slave trade, both around 1600 or so.

Move on, Constance, there's no real mileage in trying to 'connect the dots' between Jews and Evil. Instead, do a count of Jewish comedians, medical pioneers, musical stars, and get back to me :)

No, I'm not Jewish but my step-grandfather, the only grandfather I really knew out of four possibles, was, a Hungarian mathematician. My grandmother worked for the Samuels (ex-Lord Mayor, boss of Shell) in London and was always full of praise for them.

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Thursday, 5 February 2015 5:42:10 PM
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Hi Joe,

Sorry, I would prefer to listen to a black professor of history and some others than your guy.

Your family relations with Jews, hence your Marxism?

Sorry, Lenin was Jewish. And I have nothing against Jews, it is the puppet masters who I am questioning. Yes, I love Leonard Cohen, Seinfeld etc. But not relevant.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Lenin

And what did Stalin and the rest have in common? They were all Atheists, weren’t they? And what do Marxists, extreme Atheists and Communists all have in common? Their opposition to and hatred of religion, especially Christianity. As an Atheist and Ex-Marxist, are you bias?

“The Irish and the Russians are both Christians, connect the dots': does that make any sense whatever ?” Yes, sure does! Coming from your own bias as an Atheist who seems to like calling Christianity fluff. So tell us your own liking for the non fluff as an ex Marxist. Your belief in a one man ideology of relativity – is that it? What about your soul? You call it trivia when a hijab wearing Muslima complains about a Christian wearing a tiny cross because she finds it offensive? And the Dhimmi dummy managers support the Muslim. And where does that leave the poor Christian woman deemed to have no right in her own country of England? Do you have any compassion?

Yes, the significance of the Holocaust and what about Stalin’s murder of 60 million Russian people? Can’t they be considered an ethnic group? And the Irish, where about 40% of their population was annihilated by the English. Why are they both not considered victims of genocide or holocaust also?

And I’m learning that Judaism is in fact not even a religion, just like Islam. They both instead follow laws (like Sharia) instead. Stay tuned. The beard is the guise. Still waiting for your insights on Marxism and the Talmud. Curious how the Mullahs and Hassidic Rabbis all wear beards. I remember my father saying once, “I don’t trust men with beards”.

Cont....
Posted by Constance, Friday, 6 February 2015 1:49:52 PM
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