Yebiga

No, beyond a certain point I don't think there is a calculus capable of making that kind of judgement.

But I don't think other genocides mean that the holocaust was nothing special.

Rhian,
Raul Hilberg, the world's foremost holocaust scholar stated that his body of work was an examination of the minutiae of the final solution in order to form a gestalt, a general shape or a picture of events from 41-45.
When he appeared at the Zundel trial in the 1980's he was cross examined by defence counsel Douglas Christie and admitted that no evidence of homicidal gas chambers has been found.
Hilberg also had to admit that all the information concerning homicidal "death camps" came from Soviet sources, that no war crimes investigator from the Western allies had ever visited any of the alleged "death camps" and later revealed that he himself only ever visited Auschwitz once, for a few hours to attend a ceremonial function.
http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/Giant/Chapter9.pdf

"I don't usually have to define simple words", said Christie, "but by scientific report I mean a report conducted by anyone who purported to be a scientist and who examined physical evidence. Name one report of such a kind that showed the existence of gas chambers anywhere in Nazi-occupied territory".
"I still dont quite understand the import of your question", said Hilberg. Are you referring to a German, or a post-war...?"
"I dont care who, German, post-war, Allied, Soviet,any source at
all. Name one", said Christie.
"To prove what?" asked Hilberg.
"To conclude that they have physically seen a gas chamber. One scientific report", repeated Christie.
"I am really at a loss. I am very seldom at such a loss, but ...
[...]
Judge Locke interrupted: "Doctor ... do you know of such a report?"
"No", replied Hilberg

Part 1

Mal Fletcher's article is a criticism of eugenics, an opinion I oppose.

The first thing to consider, is that an unknown proportion of people in every community suffer from what psychologists call "absolutist personalities." These are people to who any moral issue can only be black and white, there can be no "fifty shades of grey." Moral priorities and moral quandaries make no sense to them at all. Such people not only embrace moral issues with absolute conviction, they consider it only logical to take every moral issue or cause to it's absolute extreme.

The second thing to consider, is that any morally worthwhile cause can be taken to it's extreme. Everyone today is a greenie, to one degree or another. But some environmentalists can only perceive a world where everyone on planet earth is some sort of Amish living on a 5 acre farm, and they see nothing wrong with destroying their own advanced economies to achieve that perfect state. People wishing to eat good food can morph into vegetarians, and then into Vegans, who are known to produce a phenomenon called "Middle Class Malnutrition". This is a condition where inner urban children from cashed up middle class families begin to exhibit signs of acute malnutrition. Some exercise fanatics exercise themselves to death. Super fit triathlete competitors are known to drop dead in the middle of gruelling sporting events. Religions are full of people with "absolutist personalities", and so are social and political movements.

Eugenics is a noble principle that can be both taken to the extreme by people with absolutist personalities such as Adolph Hitler, who considered the improvement of race by any means to be perfectly logical moral ideal. Or it can be attacked as absolutely evil by people like Mal Fletcher, who probably also has an absolutist personality. People like Mal think that eugenics automatically means the genetic eradication of undesirables through gas chambers, because as a probable absolutist, he is programmed through his personality to only judge issues by considering it perfectly normal to take every issue to the extreme.

To be continued.

Part 2

All humans engage in eugenics to one degree or another. Males seek high quality young breeding stock females with shiny hair and stunning figures. Women seek men of intelligence with the proven ability (or at least the potential) to provide for her and her offspring. Women's magazines are full of stories about young bimbos stealing the alpha male husband of some aging middle class woman. Physical beauty is a ticket to the upper classes for any beautiful young, lower class woman. This has resulted in the renowned good looks of the upper classes and their description as "the beautiful people."

But eugenics can work both ways. In advanced societies today, the problem is that the lower, least intelligent people, the ones who fill our hospitals, jails and welfare queues, are breeding at a much faster rate than our most intelligent, who are generally the providers of wealth. Intelligent female women are hardly breeding at all. Extrapolate forward and we see a vision of Greece or Detroit unless we find a way to encourage intelligent people to breed, and discourage people with low intelligence to breed. Any person who refuses to see this self evident reality probably comes from the shallow end of the gene pool.

Lego,
It's just the self righteous, priggish tone adopted by gentile Holocaust affirmers and young Jews who've never experienced persecution which grinds my gears. Elderly Jews who did experience tragedy in the 1940's are deserving of sympathy, their great grandchildren are not and just need to get over it.
Lacking any basis in fact the Holocaust is really only an allegorical argument against discrimination yet the people who use it to make their point invariably do so to discriminate against and demonise people they don't like.
If Mal Fletcher was serious about raising his humanitarian concerns he wouldn't invoke the Holocaust because it's a cop out, a sleazy tactic used by ignorant and lazy people.

I agree, Jay of Melbourne.

One of the reasons why I stopped being an anti racist and became a racist, was the hypocrisy of the Jews. It seemed to me that at the instigation of the concept of multiculturalism, it was the Jews in Australia who were the main advocates. But this did not stop them from supporting Israel which was unashamedly a Jewish state, created entirely for Jews.

It seems like the Jews believe in multiculturalism for everybody else, but not in Israel. I think this is the primary reason why the Left hate the Jews. If anybody should be absolutist advocates for the Lefts favourite cause of multiculturalism, it should be the Jews. But Jews don't want it in Israel. Not that this is a surprise, the Muslims don't want it either. But they get a free pass. That the Jews are not creating a multicultural utopia in Israel/Palestine upsets the Lefties no end. Although how such a feat could be possible the Left does not want to think about.

Ironically, the Jews seem to be the one race which have benefitted the most from Eugenics. The secular Jews are reputed to be the smartest people on Earth and their list of Nobel prizes for science validates that premise. Whenever there was a anti Jewish pogrom anywhere, the smartest and richest Jews (like the Rothchilds) fled or bought their way out, before the mass murders began. The dumb ones got genetically eradicated.

This seems to be confirmed by am book I read, "The Nazi Officer's Wife", in which a Jewish girl in Austria studying law became so concerned about the Nazi's prior to WW2, that she went underground, got a new identity, married a German officer, and survived the war. She could not understand why so many Jews were too dumb to see what was happening and extrapolate forward to see that the time to get out was now. I think it is a bit like those who can't see any problem with Muslims. Wishful thinking trumps a reality which they don't want to think about.