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Auschwitz and the wisdom of crowds : Comments

By Mal Fletcher, published 30/1/2015

Marking the liberation of Auschwitz forces us to remember that the general principles undergirding this forlorn place were supported by popular sentiment among some very learned people.

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Hi LEGO,

So ..... neither Jews nor Muslims, as you lump them both, want multiculturalism ?

Israel's population is 20 % Arab, but are you suggesting they have fewer rights than Jews in Israel ? Perhaps you can give examples of this. My understanding is that, not only don't Arabs have to pay a 'dhimmi' tax, but that they are not required to serve in the armed forces either. There are mosques in Israel. There is an equitable education system in Israel, for both Jews and ArabsHave I got all that right ?

As for Jews in Muslim countries, we all have a fair idea of what rights they have, and have not, those who have remained.

Those facts tend to blow your notions apart :)

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Sunday, 1 February 2015 12:06:05 PM
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LEGO,

The developer of the birth control pill, Carl Djerassi, has just died at 91. I'm sure that, since he was a Jew, you could find some angle against him for his work: perhaps you could slip something in about eugenics. Or something.

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Sunday, 1 February 2015 12:12:19 PM
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Israel is not a Jewish only State.

"....Ismail Khaldi is the first Bedouin vice consul of Israel and the highest ranking Muslim in the Israeli foreign service. Khaldi is a strong advocate of Israel. While acknowledging that the Israeli Bedouin minority is not ideal, he said:

I am a proud Israeli – along with many other non-Jewish Israelis such as Druze, Bahai, Bedouin, Christians and Muslims, who live in one of the most culturally diversified societies and the only true democracy in the Middle East. Like America, Israeli society is far from perfect, but let us deals honestly. By any yardstick you choose—educational opportunity, economic development, women and gay's rights, freedom of speech and assembly, legislative representation—Israel's minorities fare far better than any other country in the Middle East."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negev_Bedouin#Crime
Posted by Is Mise, Sunday, 1 February 2015 3:24:53 PM
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Jay
You are reporting selectively. The fuller quote was:

“I am really at a loss. I am very seldom at such a loss, but ... Again, I can only state that there have been aerial photographs that were analysed. Perhaps that is not in your definition of science. There have been contemporaneous documents about the lethality of the gas that was employed. Perhaps this is not important to you. There are documents …”

Reading the transcript it is quite clear that Hilberg did not concede there was no evidence for gas chambers, and described detailed evidence including numerous eyewitness accounts. Let people read a less selective account for themselves:
http://www.ihr.org/books/kulaszka/09hilberg.html
Posted by Rhian, Sunday, 1 February 2015 7:27:56 PM
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Rhian,
That type of reasoning is typical of Hilberg, he's happy to use the testimony of a liar like Jankel Wiernik or a loquacious lunatic like Kurt Gerstein if it adds something to his gestalt, they don't actually have to tell the truth, just add to the shape of the Holocaust.
Gerstein claimed that 25 million people were murdered at Treblinka and that he'd seen piles of clothes ten stories high in the yard, Hilberg knew he was insane but made an important deduction from his evidence, namely that the numbers of Jews weren't counted at Treblinka.
See the kind of thinking involved?
The Holocaust appeared in popular culture from the 1960's for political reasons we don't need to get into here and it should have gone out of fashion by the 1990's after the revisionists caused more than reasonable doubt about it's veracity, the reparations scandals and the exposure of widespread fraud.
What happened though was that a new generation of Zionist Jews with new political considerations in mind, like Steven Spielberg and Abraham Foxman simply doubled down on the rhetoric to push their agenda.
Tony Judt left us this interpretation of the significance of the Holocaust:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTc6LBtWEg0

Holocaust Remembrance: What's Behind the Campaign?
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=db7_1230641059
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Sunday, 1 February 2015 8:51:16 PM
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Snake & Craig Minns of the older generation, we know what went on, we were around at that time, the horrors inflicted by the Germans and Japanese was horrendous, one still finds it difficult to be comfortable in the presence of Japanese. Jay we will all die out eventually, then it will become harder for future generations to reconcile to what went on in WW2, fact or fiction will become blurred as to the truth, one understands that, but we the living now do know the German concentration camps and gas chambers existed and used to exterminate people that Hitler saw as no use to his perfect race of Germans he wanted to create.
Posted by Ojnab, Sunday, 1 February 2015 8:53:00 PM
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