Luciferase,
" What are NC and McAdam doing to solve the problem from within Islam? In fact, why does there appear to be such scant condemnation from within Islam of those misinterpreting the Quran's exhortations with violent actions?"

Good observation Luciferase, and logical too.
It would have been true also, if you took the position of being aware of all that is going on in the world; inclusive of what is on the Radar of the world media and what is obscured from it or masked by it.
Remember, we discussed the world media having the monopoly of the spot light? And only a simpleton would believe, that world media is not controlled.

A lot dear Luciferase, is happening in the world that you are not aware of. Remember, I informed the forum that Pakistan has risen, as a nation against this menace and is engaged in exactly what you point out. I was laughed at...by those who had no touch with reality and were unwilling to dig the truth. I wish they knew the reality.

You are right, to point out, what needs to be done urgently. The criminals, who tend to take refuge in their twisted interpretations need to isolated and neutralized, by the combined effort of those within and without Islam.

But clearly, there is an effort on, to lump all Muslims together and project them and their religion as a threat. We will enter the realm of conspiracy theories, that we do not wish to, as the structure of our forum can not handle that topic. But just see the statements being broadcast from the mouth of that teen ager called Boston Bomber "we Muslims are one, harming one means harming all....or stop killing our innocents and we'll stop killing your innocent civilians"
As if Muslims do not punish their criminals and as if killing of innocent civilians is teaching of Islam.

We are living in interesting times and we need to keep our eyes open and not be the tools of those who underestimate us and think we are gullible goofs.

McAdam/NC,

As you write, " ... from the mouth of that teen ager called Boston Bomber "we Muslims are one, harming one means harming all....or stop killing our innocents and we'll stop killing your innocent civilians"'

I'm sure most OLO posters would immediately agree that, just because this terrorist claimed to be acting in accordance with the instructions of the Koran, it does not mean that he was so.

He claimed so, but it may not be necessarily the case that the Koran can be used to justify his alleged crimes.

But it's primarily up to 'moderate' Muslims to disavow him, to repudiate his vile statement, and to assert (and show) that they do not stand with him, nor support his vile notion that innocent people should be killed in retaliation for the death of other innocents.

Primarily: non-Muslims can still point out his alleged crimes, and question his assertions that "we Muslims are one" if he means that he was acting in their name, and that he has their support.

If he quacks like a duck and claims to walk with ducks, then non-Muslims are entitled to ask whether or not he really is a duck :)

Joe

Yes, Loudmouth, what you write is truth.....half truth....and you can't even see.

Please read my post again....carefully this time.

It says that the west and the rest, do not get equal amount of visibility on the mainstream media. People like me and their opinion is ignored....kept away from folks like you, who are fed what is selected for them. You only see, what some one else puts spot light on; can't you see? I gave you the information of monumental work, currently going on in Pakistan, exactly on the lines you are suggesting, and you are being kept in the dark about it. Can't you see, even now? May God help you and us all.

There are millions and millions or possibly the whole 1.6 billions of them, who condemn the crimes of these lunies who get used by the likes of US Secretary of State or pursue their criminal motives for greed.

One of my previous posts, lists the subclasses of who all get lumped as terrorists. This includes the victims of state terrorism, who are engaged in legitimate fight for their freedom and deserve the support of international community, like the victims of apartheid in South Africa received. But there are forces who would, for their own ulterior motives, lump them with the criminals and to that end, demonize the entire Muslim population and their religion; Islam.
Is it not odd that the hostage taker, who is cramped for space, what he must man pack and the IS sentry who has to have his both hands free to discharge his duty, carry huge flags?. And flags they select for themselves are Shahada and Seal of the Holy Prophet; sacred for all Muslims?......a behavior unprecedented in all guerrilla and resistance movements of human history....Can't you see?

We do not have to agree on all points, as it is our respective right to maintain our own world view and our own opinions. What is essential however is that we form our own opinions based on knowledge and reflection and we do not feed on regurgitated information and opinions.

Good luck

"....I informed the forum that Pakistan has risen, as a nation against this menace and is engaged in exactly what you point out."

So, Pakistan has decided the are no good Taliban, only bad, as it turns to vengeance for the deaths of children of the military. That's not cutting it. It's just the usual despotism versus Islamicism, with intensity. Imran Khan has toned it down for awhile until vengeance is wrung and feelings subside. It'll be business as usual, soon enough, IMO, secularism versus Islam.

Where is the denouncement from the ideological stance. Where is the beaming of radio and tv into tribal regions, the dissemination of literature opposing the ideological basis of the Taliban's cause, and the damnation by authority within mainstream Islam, wielding the Quran? Where can introspection of Islam itself be clearly seen?

What are McAdam and NC and their ilk doing to oppose the ideologues? Are they waving their Qurans at the perpetrators, or just bleating about the violence? Are they invading the blogs of the ideologues to oppose them, writing letters to their journals and newspapers, or doing anything about it as individual citizens of the faith?

They suggest Islam's massive public introspection is withheld by our MSM, at the behest of our authorities, to massage our opinion of Muslims, i.e. invoking conspiracy theory into their argument here. Yet it is our authorities that maintain the "insane lone-wolf" narrative to calm feelings, with the media reporting them. It doesn't add up.

Nobody believes the entire Muslim world is in cahoots with the extremists. We just want to see a great genuine public fight going on against the extremists at a Quranic ideological level. What's happening in Pakistan is not that, nor are we seeing it on a world scale.

NC/McAdam,

“You mean to say that all Muslims, 1.6 billion of them are terrorists?” Of course not, otherwise we’d all be dead. I’m saying with the number of Muslims in the world, and statistics indicate that around 35% living in Europe have fundamentalist radical views. This is the problem. And when you downplay the current Islamic terror be they groups or individuals, that also becomes a great concern. You use one lousy example of a demented cultist which happened years ago.

My medieval mind? And what’s yours? You want to throw me out the window? Sounds violent.

It is a known fact that the Koran is not to be questioned as it is the direct word of God, and you cannot reject God. I also did some formal study on Islam and the West a few years back and was told same.

http://www.islam101.com/theology/index.htm
“…There is no deity except Allah. He is indivisible and absolutely transcendent. God is the Almighty, the Creator and the Sustainer of the universe, Who is similar to nothing and nothing is comparable to Him. Worship and obedience belongs to Allah and Allah alone. Joining other gods with God is an unforgivable sin. Any one who joins other gods with God has strayed far, far away from the Truth.”

“While the Holy Quran is 100% word of God revealed to the Prophet, not every Hadith is authentic. “

http://www.islam101.com/religions/christianity/diffBQ.htm
“The Bible is a collection of writings by many different authors. The Qur'an is a dictation. The speaker in the Qur'an - in the first person - is God talking directly to man. In the Bible you have many men writing about God and you have in some places the word of God speaking to men and still in other places you have some men simply writing about history. “

http://www.whyislam.org/submission/the-holy-quran/the-origin-of-the-quran/
“Many people mistakenly believe that the Quran was authored by Prophet Muhammad. In fact, the Quran is the preserved speech of God. At the same time, one might ask, which proofs indicate that the Quran is the Word of God and not the writings of Prophet Muhammad?

Luciferase,
"We just want to see a great genuine public fight going on against the extremists at a Quranic ideological level. What's happening in Pakistan is not that,"

Your throwing in certain names, does not mask the lack of knowledge of ground realities, exposed by the way you have framed your statement.

"What is happening in Pakistan is not that"? Have you read the charter of NACTA, the bill in National Assembly to creat special courts, the mechanism to monitor religious seminaries, and wholistic National Action Plan and its execution mechanisms? You haven't. For if you had, you would not be so off the mark. Have seen the national press, the editorials and response of the civil society? The nation is geared up to fight at all levels including challenging the religious basis of the rogue elements; you don't know.

If you choose to doubt, every thing I tell you and are comfortable with Little information on the subject, I'll not disturb your comfort.
Good luck.