Continued …
REPEATED QUESTIONS IN THIS THREAD 2 of 2

To which NC answered (NC’s post of the 24th)

“Your concern about the tiny minority using (their perverted version of) Islam for their crimes against humans is thoroughly understood and totally shared by me, as is, I am sure, by the huge majority of the Muslim world. Muslim societies are mobilising to deliver them a death blow, which I am sure, is imminent now.”

Is it not obvious from my answer that I consider IS jokers forcing “their perverted version of” Islam on Muslim majority?

The Loudmouth still repeats the question, and will presumably keep doing so, because this is what he and his associates do.

On kacktuz’s “Why play with secondary opinions”, he must know that when it is between Quran and Hadith, the Hadith is the secondary opinion – NOT Quran.

• Hadith, a collection of verbal accounts of generations about 150 years after the death of the Prophet have their critics even within Muslims especially on topics it seems to pursue a different line from the Quran.

• Hadith is known to be a human effort that can’t be flawless.

• Quran, in contrast, was revealed to Muhammad’s Heart, every verse was immediately recorded by people assigned by Muhammad for this job, carefully preserved in his lifetime, passed on to the following generations with the same care. Even today, you get the same version of Quran anywhere in this wide world. Translations understandably carry the colour of the translators.

If there is a conflict between Quran’s injunction and anything in Hadith – Quran’s injunction takes precedence – this is a universally agreed principle in the Muslim world. The position of Quran is the position of Islam on an issue. I do not and do not need to consult anything, including Hadith, on something clearly mentioned in the Quran. Slavery is one such topic.

The hate and anger of some of posters is a suffering they have put themselves through by a refusal to part with the distortions of the medieval literature.

NC, thank you for making Islam's stand against slavery, amply clear.

And your advice to guard against the distortions of the medieval literature,is worth serious consideration. Arming ourselves with medieval interpretations and taking them as irrefutable rules, puts us in the position similar to a person's who would still insist on gea-centricity of the world and insist that Galileo was wrong, because Church had so ruled in the past, or like the people who still contest evolution, on the authority of Church even when the Church has since shifted its position to the side of the truth.

Any side, which clings to dogma and uses his /her fossilized interpretation to justify hate and carnage, is wrong. May it be Osama bin Laden, a Muslim or James Kopp, the alleged killer of an abortion provider in Buffalo, N.Y., a Christian or Baruch Goldstein, who shot 29 worshipers in the Hebron mosque in 1994 a Jew, are all wrong and represent example of fossilized interpretation of their respective religion.

We all, need to be on the side of reason.
It is not reasonable to spread hate......the basic message of the article we are discussing

Point To Ponder

We take our siblings to be our competitors .....then we grow out of it, to realize that siblings are the longest lasting bond we have.

Then we take our peers to be our competitors and when we grow out of it, we realize that the peers are the ones who provide us our long lasting friendships.

We take other humans to be "they" and we fear or hate them but then those among us who can grow out of it, realize the humanity to be one family. There are sages in every religion, in every society who discovered this. Like the saying of Sadi, I shared on this post. And now I share a quote from Khalil Gibran:

"Human beings separate into factions and tribes and adhere to countries and regions whereas I see my essence as foreign to any one land and alien to any single people. The entire earth is my homeland and the human family is my clan. For I have found human beings to be weak, and it is small-minded for them to divide themselves up; the earth is cramped, so that only ignorance leads people to partition it into realms and principalities"

Now the reality is that some people from various religions take others as enemies and are .at each other's throat. Should we follow them, rather than the likes of Sadi and Khalil Gibran? Should we join these misguided ones and go for each other's jugular or should these fringe groups be isolated and neutralized with a hope that they too, would one day grow out of the hatred.

Just food for thought....relish.

Quote From KHALIL GIBRAN; For I would have written the same, if I had the prowess:-

"Humanity is the spirit of divinity on earth. That divinity which walks among the nations and speaks of love, pointing toward the paths of life, while the people laugh and mock its words and teachings....... "Ridicule is crueler than killing, and more bitter."
Jerusalem proved unable to kill the Nazarene, for he is alive forever; nor could Athens execute Socrates, for he is immortal. Nor shall derision prove powerful against those who listen to humanity or those who follow in the footsteps of divinity, for they shall live forever. Forever.

You are my brother, and both of us are sons of a single, universal, and sacred spirit. You are my likeness, for we are prisoners of the same body, fashioned from the same clay. You are my companion on the byways of life, my helper in perceiving the essence of reality concealed behind the mists. You are a human being and I have loved you, my brother.
Say about me what you will, for tomorrow will pass judgment on you and your words..."

Do you have tears in you eyes while reading it; I have in mine while quoting.
May we, all be guided to the truth, amen

HAPPY NEW YEAR

HAPPY NEW BEGINNING

Sane Minds on Muhammad continued ..

Further to the quote from the same person (post of the 20th)
Alphonse de LaMartaine (1790-1869), in 'Historie de la Turquie,' Paris, 1854.

"Never has a man set for himself, voluntarily or involuntarily, a more sublime aim, since this aim was superhuman; to subvert superstitions which had been imposed between man and his Creator, to render God unto man and man unto God; to restore the rational and sacred idea of divinity amidst the chaos of the material and disfigured gods of idolatry, then existing. Never has a man undertaken a work so far beyond human power with so feeble means, for he (Muhammad) had in the conception as well as in the execution of such a great design, no other instrument than himself and no other aid except a handful of men living in a corner of the desert. Finally, never has a man accomplished such a huge and lasting revolution in the world….”

"On the basis of a Book, every letter which has become law, he created a spiritual nationality which blend together peoples of every tongue and race. He has left the indelible characteristic of this Muslim nationality the hatred of false gods and the passion for the One and Immaterial God. This avenging patriotism against the profanation of Heaven formed the virtue of the followers of Muhammad..”

"The idea of the unity of God, proclaimed amidst the exhaustion of the fabulous theologies, was in itself such a miracle …. His life, his meditations, his heroic revering against the superstitions of his country, and his boldness in defying the furies of idolatry, his firmness in enduring them for fifteen years in Mecca, his acceptance of the role of public scorn and almost of being a victim of his fellow countrymen..”

"Philosopher, Orator, Apostle, Legislator, Conqueror of Ideas, Restorer of Rational beliefs.... As regards all standards by which human greatness may be measured, WE MAY WELL ASK, IS THERE ANY MAN GREATER THAN HE?"