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Black and white flag : Comments

By Junaid Cheema, published 17/12/2014

Our way of life is under attack there is very little doubt about that, but by whom?

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It has been claimed that:
"Quran says Mary is part of the trinity (one of three, Quran5:116)"

The actual translation of 5: 116 is as follows:-

116. And when Allah saith: O Jesus, son of Mary! Didst thou say unto mankind: Take me and my mother for two gods beside Allah ? he saith: Be glorified! It was not mine to utter that to which I had no right. If I used to say it, then Thou knewest it. Thou knowest what is in my mind, and I know not what is in Thy Mind. Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Knower of Things Hidden ? (Translation by Pickthal)

The loose expression that God of Jews Christians and Muslims is different, can mislead the reader that the followers of these religions believe in existence of more than one God....that would negate the monotheism for which these religions are known. In fact the followers of these three religions worship the same one God, as there is none other than that there is. The difference is in perception of the same God. And difference in perception arises from the very nature of God.
God, as a concept is beyond human faculties. Any explicit explanation will raise the difficulties being experienced. Rumii's illustration that I mentioned earlier appears spot on.
This is how it appears to me, but if some one feels differently, it is his/ her prerogative.
Posted by McAdam, Sunday, 21 December 2014 2:25:18 PM
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It has been implied that violence is exclusive to Muslims. Please consider example of USA as reported by CNN -The list of the 25 deadliest single day mass shootings in U.S. history from 1949 . 32 killed - April 16, 2007 - Blacksburg, Virginia. 27 killed - December 14, 2012 Newtown, Connecticut. 20 children, ages 6 and 7, and six adults, 23 killed - October 16, 1991 - In Killeen, Texas, 21 killed - July 18, 1984 - In San Ysidro, California,18 killed - August 1, 1966 - In Austin, Texas, wounded at least 30, 14 killed - August 20, 1986 - Edmond, Oklahoma,13 killed - November 5, 2009 - Fort Hood, Tx.13 killed - April 3, 2009 - In Binghamton, New York, 13 killed - April 20, 1999 - Littleton, Colorado. 13 killed - September 25, 1982 - In Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania, 13 killed - September 5, 1949 - In Camden, New Jersey, 12 killed - September 16, 2013 - Washington Navy Yard 12 killed - July 20, 2012 - Twelve people akilled and 58 wounded at Aurora, Colorado.12 killed - July 29, 1999 - In Atlanta, 10 killed - March 10, 2009 - In Alabama,9 killed - March 21, 2005 - Red Lake High School, Minnesota. 9 killed - June 18, 1990 - In Jacksonville, Florida, 8 killed - October 12, 2011 - Seal Beach, California. 8 killed - August 3, 2010 - Manchester, Connecticut 8 killed - January 19, 2010 - Christopher Speight, 8 killed - March 29, 2009 - In Carthage, North Carolina8 killed - December 5, 2007 - In Omaha, Nebraska, 8 killed - July 1, 1993 - In San Francisco, 8 killed - September 14, 1989 - In Louisville, Kentucky8 killed - August 20, 1982 - In Miami,
Note: These are incidents of shooting only. Incidents of other form of violence are not included here.
Similar statistics for other countries can be referred to.
Clearly, it is false to claim that violence is exclusive to Muslims. Saying so, at this juncture to fan inter communal rift, is injurious for the peaceful Australian society
Posted by McAdam, Sunday, 21 December 2014 2:48:12 PM
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@McAdam, Sunday, 21 December 2014 2:48:12 PM

That is the well-worn fallacy of faulty comparison.

Your previous post was suss too. This one,
McAdam, Sunday, 21 December 2014 2:25:18 PM

If you cannot lie straight in bed why should anyone bother to entertain anything you have written? The opposite becomes the case, readers suspect you are only interested in deceiving them and you are up to no good.
Posted by onthebeach, Sunday, 21 December 2014 2:55:16 PM
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McAdam where do come off saying "It has been implied that violence is exclusive to Muslims"? Please provide one quote from anyone in this thread that supports this ridiculous statement.

No one has ever said that, insinuated that or even mistakenly posted something that implied that. Are you stupid or just trying to deflect the conversation away from the truths you don't want to accept?
Posted by ConservativeHippie, Sunday, 21 December 2014 4:21:17 PM
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McAdam,

That's called a 'straw man' or 'Aunt Sally' argument: nobody has said that violence is exclusive to Muslims, so you are putting up an easy target, only to easily knock it down. Anybody can do that, it really is quite childish.

Burt where Muslims have been involved in violence, then yes, they have been involved in violence. If they have committed violent and vile acts in the name of Allah, then they have committed violent and vile acts in the name of Allah. Whether Allah would approve is up to Muslims as a whole to work out.

But everybody else is entitled to say that yes, they were violent and vile acts, and they seem to have been carried out in the name of Allah.

Were the acts of Monis carried out in the name of Allah ? Did he put an Islamic flag up in the window ? Did he make his motives clear ? Yes, he did.

Did those Pakistani Taliban not only shoot Malala in the face, intending to kill her, and doing it in the name of Allah ? Yes they did.

Did they murder 130 children in the name of Allah ? Yes, they did.

Did Boko Haram, this week, murder fifty-odd people and kidnap hundreds of women and children, in the name of Allah ? Yes, they did.

Has anybody killed anybody this week in the name of Christ, or Buddha ? I don't think so.

Cop it.

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Sunday, 21 December 2014 5:41:11 PM
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MacAdam,

"The loose expression that God of Jews Christians and Muslims is different, can mislead the reader that the followers of these religions believe in existence of more than one God....that would negate the monotheism for which these religions are known. In fact the followers of these three religions worship the same one God, as there is none other than that there is. The difference is in perception of the same God. And difference in perception arises from the very nature of God."

As I pointed out earlier the God of the Christians is a Trinity, three persons in one God. This is not a single God as is the God of the Muslims and of the Jews.
To Christians He is God the Father and He has a Son, the Christ (who is also God) and the third person is the Holy Spirit (who is also God).
So if the Christian God (3 in one) is not different to the other Gods then I'll eat my RM Williams.
Posted by Is Mise, Sunday, 21 December 2014 6:08:01 PM
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