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Black and white flag : Comments

By Junaid Cheema, published 17/12/2014

Our way of life is under attack there is very little doubt about that, but by whom?

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ConservativeHippie,

Yeah, but how do you know he wasn't a atheist pretending to be a Muslim ? Year after year ? Calling himself a sheikh but actually being a atheist ? Switching from Shia to Sunni but really being a atheist ?

That just shows what utter b@stards atheists are. Yeah.

And how do we know that the murder of 130 children in Pakistan, and the kidnapping this week of hundreds of children and murder of forty-odd people in Nigeria, and bombings in Afghanistan, wasn't the work of atheists ?

See what complete b@stards atheists are ?!

And they pick on fascist Muslims ! Always ! Like we're the only ones ! B@stards !

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Saturday, 20 December 2014 7:10:06 PM
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"The future will not be nice. Blood will flow." Says a critic of Islam. In fact all hate in this thread...please do go through it again..comes from critics of Islam and then they insist Islam and Muslims are hateful. That is bigotry

Any one who says there is more violence in Quran than Bible, Old Testament is ignorant or is guilty of bigotry.

Then it is said "making one person as representative of an entire community. That is wrong. Period" and in the same breath a barrage of slurs is unleashed on Islam and Muslims, on account of the same incident; that is bigotry.

Is it the the dilemma of human psychology, at play here ; what you can't forgive in others, in fact are your own weaknesses, get rid of them.
Posted by McAdam, Sunday, 21 December 2014 12:09:21 AM
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Thank you Is Mise for pointing out following:-

"Muslims, Jews and Christians do not worship the same God as their respective definitions differ.
The God of Christianity is a Trinity, the very idea of which is blasphemy to Jews and Muslims.
God, as such, did not bid us to love our neighbour, that is a teaching of Christ."

Let me share with you my humble understanding on the subject. "My understanding" is all that I can share, for only a fool can claim encompassing God in totality.

Yes, the respective definitions of Muslims, Jews and Christianity differ. That does not make different gods for them but understanding of the same God differently. Rumi has illustrated the mutual squabbles on this subject by equating it with men arguing about the shape of the elephant, based on their own respective experience of touching a different part of the same elephant in the dark and then after having come out in the open, insisting on their respective definitions of shape of elephant.
Our dogmas and definitions change with time. Jews at one point in their history were polytheist. That did not not mean that gods had become many. God remained one, it is that they thought differently, at that time. Similarly Christianity has changed its stand on universe being geo- centric and recently on evolution. Not that those facts have now changed, it is that their understanding by Christianity has.

In my humble understanding it is the Same One God the Jews, Christians and Muslims believe in. It is just that their understanding may differ.

About the neighbor. Good neighborly relations, along with the integrity of family unit are at the heart of any orderly social life. Ninth and tenth commandments of Jews deal with being good to neighbors. So, in my understanding good neighborliness is emphasized in all three religions.

May God forgive me, if I have erred in narrating the understanding that I think I have done truthfully and in all sincerity.

Thanks for reading this post
Posted by McAdam, Sunday, 21 December 2014 1:21:45 AM
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Dear rational people,

No matter which side of the fence you sit on, we can all agree this man was deranged.

If a deranged man says he is Jesus, the rational thing would be to say, "no you are not Jesus".

So if a deranged man says what I am doing is Islamic, wouldn't the rational thing to say be, "no this is not Islamic".

To believe a deranged man's claims isn't rationality it's insanity.

So which side of the fence do you sit on?
Posted by theHypocrisy, Sunday, 21 December 2014 2:11:28 AM
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Claiming to be a person you are not is different to claiming you hold an ideology. Deranged or not, people can hold ideologies.
Posted by Luciferase, Sunday, 21 December 2014 2:48:23 AM
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Yes Kactuz, well said:

<<The fact is that "good" Muslims are either ignorant or in denial as to the hate and violence that permeates their dogma. They don't even want to know. To them, Islam is what they say it is, what they want to believe it is, not what the Quran and hadith say>>

You nailed it.
Posted by SPQR, Sunday, 21 December 2014 5:36:30 AM
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