Dear Jayb, you wrote; "Of course Palestinians are Human Beings. If only Hamas would......"

Thank you for saying that. It is a good start.

Now your version is that all that terror unleashed on Palestinians is because of Hamas wrong doings and provocations, right? If it was so, how do we account for all the killings of Palestinians prior to creation of Hamas in 1987?

If we blame Hamas for all evil, we will have to take into account, their version too. What do they say? They react to the strangulation and atrocities committed by Israel.
Now the question is who do we believe? If both sides are human and therefore equal, then both deserve to be treated equally. No one side can be given the status of being a party and the judge at the same time.

What should be the mechanism to ascertain the truth where two versions vary, which always do, other than deployment of international humanitarian observers? And lifting the siege and opening Gaza to the world. If Israel is speaking the truth, let it be transparent; let the world see for itself how right Israel is.

Best regards

McAdam: And lifting the siege and opening Gaza to the world.

& how long before Hamas would be rearmed to the hilt by Iran, the Saudi. Every Islamic Fanatic in the World would be streaming in there in days.

McAdam: how do we account for all the killings of Palestinians prior to creation of Hamas in 1987?

Have you heard of the Black Hand Gang, The Anti-Zionist movement. The Arab Higher Committee. The Palestinian Revolt 36/9, Civil War 47/8, Arab - Israeli War 487/9. All intent on removing & killing Jews in Israel.

I have a mate that was there in the 50's. He said he'd be on guard & watch Palestinians crawling one way & Israelis crawling the other way all night armed to the teeth. They were forbidden to interfere.

Dear Jayb, you wrote; "Hamas would be rearmed to the hilt by Iran, the Saudi. Every Islamic Fanatic in the World would be streaming in there in days...
Have you heard of the Black Hand Gang, The Anti-Zionist movement. The Arab Higher Committee. The Palestinian Revolt 36/9, Civil War 47/8, Arab - Israeli War 487/9. All intent on removing & killing Jews in Israel."

These are too many words; please tell me in simple english, what do you mean.

My way or highway; is the message that I get from you; do I hear you clearly? Is this what you are saying?

Best regards

To McNab.

I do not regard the Palestinians as sub-humans.

And the only "rights" I believe in, is political free speech, the right to self defence, and the right of people to elect a democratic government. Every other "right" is subject to scrutiny by the people's parliament.

You want to talk about morality as if it is absolute. Morality is not, never has been, and never will be a moral absolute.

Israel exists. It is not going to go away no matter how much the Mullahs want it to. The Muslims control 99% of the middle east and they want it all. The way to peace, is for the Muslims to go and live 99% of the lands that they have stolen from the Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians and pagans, and let the Jews live in the 1% they occupy, which just happens to be their traditional homeland.

Spain is not shooting rockets into Gibraltar. Germany is not shooting rockets into Russia and Poland to get Prussia back. Italy is not shooting rockets into Croatia to get Trieste back. Japan is not shooting rockets into Russia to get Sakhalin Island back. All over the world, there are unresolved territorial claims which could lead to war except for one thing. The people who have these claims are not Muslims, and they prefer peace to war.

After WW2, millions of Germans were expelled from European countries and went back to live in Germany. Millions of Japanese were expelled from Korea and China and sent back to Japan. Nobody complained about that because everybody could see the sense of it. There is a lot to be said for ethnic expulsion and monoculturalism if you want to prevent civil war. Good fences make good neighbours, as Frost so poetically put it.

But the Mullahs will never agree to that, even though they know it will be peace. They don't want peace, they want an enemy for their stupid people to hate. Because if they stopped hating they might start thinking. And if they started thinking, they might figure out how their religion has failed them.

SPQR,

<< Karen Armstrong’s research [upset you]…>>
Upset? LOL
More amused me than anything else!
I think from memory McAdam first name dropped Karen Armstrong ,and then within minutes we had you and Hadi repeating the name . It reminded me of a group of school boys repeating a pat answer and one they didn't really understand.Hilariously immature!

Read a bit more widely NC and you will…hmmm no.. you may understand LOL.

<<As I have been saying, the topic of our discussion is not a faith issue, it is a human issue>>
No it is not. For you and your fellows it is about barracking for your tribe right or wrong.

You are not about being humane or enforcing humane standards
You are about one-eyed cheerleading for Islam --and this is why:
1) “The 1967 war, in which Israel defeated several Arab countries, rubbed salt in the wound by underscoring the collective weakness of Muslim countries…But the loss of Jerusalem to Israel was a blow not just to Arab countries,but Muslim around the world…So with the loss of Aqsa Mosque to Israel, many Muslims felt that ISLAM HAD LOST ITS FORMER GLORY “

2) “One of the reasons the puritans [that’s people like you,NC & Hadi] are so opposed to peace with Israel is due to their belief that Israels very purpose for existence is to defeat and humiliate Muslims as part of the overall Western strategy of containment against the Muslim world”

The above is your real gripe,eh!
Nothing to do with manufactured humanitarian issues.

Who made the above comments ? (some “hate site”?)
No. The admission came from Khaled Abou El Fadl [Professor of Law at the University of California] in his book “The Great Theft: Wresting Islam From The Extremists”

Correction: Of course the above post should be addressed to NC not SPQR.