@Hadi,

Hadi Says he doesn't like lies. So to test it we ran a truth scanner (USING HADI’S DEFINITION OF WHAT CONSTITUTES A LIE) across Hadi’s latest post.

The scanner determined that much of it was gobbledygook. It was unable to determine what language it was in. But of the part it deciphered this is what it found:

1) <<Which YOUR TERRORIST STATE OF ISRAEL is STANDING IN THE WAY OF AGAINST THE TIDE OF WORLD OPINION,>> --LIE!
--Junaid Cheema himself produced contrary evidence at the start of this thread -QUOTE : "'Israel has the right to defend itself!' shout the popular headlines.”

2) <<"You say [JAYB] Germans expelled went to GERMANY -> Japanese expelled went to JAPAN ... these examples you quote are of people expelled from foreign lands, not their own> --LIE!
East Prussia had been part of Germany for ages . Sakhalin Island had been part of Japan for ages . So Hadi you LIED!

3) << Savage Choke-hold maintained by Israel over Palestinian territories... a population imprisoned in an open air prison >> - LIE
Egypt controls the southern border –not Israel. So Hadi that claim was a LIE!

4) <<completely dependent on the Terrorists next door (The terrorist state of Israel) for letting in food, medicines, aid or other daily essentials of life?>> LIE
A terrorist state would hardly allow food and medicines in –can you imagine Isis allowing supplies to the trapped Yazidi ? So that is another LIE!

5) << Don’t the Palestinians have the right to self-defense? With no standing army, who do they turn to? >>LIE
. What are the Hamas brigades if not a standing army. FGS they even have training camps .
So another LIE!

So there you have it: FIVE HADI DEFINED BLATANT LIES!

SPQR you should definitely audition for Gollum's character - you sound ssoo much like him "LIES, LIES, HADI LIES,", is it just me or everyone can hear that horrible swallowing noise in his throat? LOL

The rest of your post -> three words for you -> 'Return to Sender' :)

SPQR says:
“Show me were I lied?”“McAdam first name dropped Karen Armstrong ,and then within minutes we had you and Hadi repeating the name”

Show me where I have mentioned her name, even once? This is simply a tiny helium atom in the universe of your lies. In continuation of your despicable tradition of making a false claim and then having to swallow your spit -> Apologize! :)

SPQR,

No response to Stephen Hawking and his conscience which snubbed Israel for its injustices. You must listen to people of conscience more often. Who knows, you may acquire conscience yourself one of these days.

After:
• Karen Armstrong;
• Gideon Levy; and
• Stephen Hawking.

Here is another person of conscience, Professor Noam Chomsky. Professor Chomsky is Institute Professor Emeritus at Massachusetts Institute of Technology where he has taught for more than 50 years. Here is what he says on the main subject we are discussing (pick a point and ask me for reference, you will get it – a real reference):

• In the Occupied Territories, what Israel is doing is much worse than apartheid;

• To call it apartheid is a gift to Israel, at least if by 'apartheid' you mean South African-style apartheid. … There’s a crucial difference. The South African Nationalists needed the black population. That was their workforce. The Israeli relationship to the Palestinians in the Occupied Territories is totally different. They just don’t want them. They want them out, or at least in prison;

• It’s a hideous atrocity, sadistic, vicious, murderous, totally without any credible pretext (comment on what has taken place till the 29th day of attack);

• It’s another one of the periodic Israeli exercises in what they delicately call "mowing the lawn." That means shooting fish in the pond, to make sure that the animals stay quiet in the cage that you’ve constructed for them, after which you go to a period of what’s called "ceasefire,";

• On the recurring periods of "mowing the lawn, he says " This one is, in many ways, more sadistic and vicious even than the earlier ones.

Now your reference: Khaled Abou El Fadl [Professor of Law at the University of California] in his book “The Great Theft: Wresting Islam From The Extremists”

Good to see that you have stepped out of your den of google-searched doubtful material you have been using in your Graffiti posts so far.

Continued …..

SPQR Continued ….

Continuing on your reference to Khaled Abou El Fadl’s book “The Great Theft: Wresting Islam From The Extremists””

The book is about (as its title suggests) reclaiming Islam from what the Author calls “puritans”. Not only there is nothing wrong with it but let me also inform you that a huge number of Muslim scholars today rightfully advocate a necessity for this.

Before, I proceed, REMEMBER that the book you have quoted, demolishes the web of fabrications you and your two friends try to build around Quran and Islam. And this has been done by the Author at least as forcefully as Karen Armstrong did before him (Read the books and then respond).

On fundamentalism in the world:

• The ‘puritans’ of the Author are the fundamentalists of Islam, very much like they exist in other religions.

• You have not read it, but you must read Karen Armstrong’s “The Battle of God – Fundamentalism in Judaism, Christianity and Islam”. Your narrow vision may be broadened a bit when you see similar extremists in other religions as well.

• Like your view of bloodshed in history, your narrow mind sees fundamentalism in Islam ONLY despite mountains of evidence contradicting it.

• ‘Puritans’ of the Author are resented by the mainstream Muslims who constitute the huge majority;

Compare the above with the words of a rabbi Ovadia Yosef – teacher revered by top Islaeli leadership of today “Goyim were born only to serve us. Without that they have not place in the world – only to serve the people of Israel”. With this position, he is made the head of Shas’s Council of Torah Sages and a senior Sephardi adjudicator.

Also, because of extreme positions of somebody somewhere in the world, you justify Israeli atrocities on Palestinians. Hence back to my repeated statement, Palestinian issue is NOT a religious issue, it is a human issue. Back to Professor Noam Chomsky’s comments purely on humanitarian grounds.

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NC,

You’re a funny man NC . Not funny in the same way as Hadi mind you (you’re funny in the ha ha sense . The type of funny it would be appropriate to play a Disney jingle to. Whilst Hadi’s funniness would require Twilight Zone music as accompaniment :)

At the first sighting of Khaled Abou El Fadl you stereotype me as someone who has never read similar before –and then you get all besotted with Khaled Abou El Fadl imagining him to be the reinforcements & relief column you and Hadi were in dire need of .

Sorry to disappoint you, but:
1) I have read/ingested many similar tracts in past, and
2) Khaled About El Fadi is NOT your ally

For Khaled Abou El Fadl the problem is the puritans in your creed . And Khaled Abou El Fadl defines both you and Hadi as puritans.

Take a seat and fire up that hookrah and I'll show you why:
According to Khaled Abou El Fadl one of the key qualities of a puritan is they are opposed to the very existence of Israel .
Quote: “One of the reasons the puritans are so opposed to peace with Israel is due to their belief that ISRAELS VERY PURPOSE FOR EXISTENCE is to defeat and humiliate Muslims as part of the overall Western strategy of containment against the Muslim world”

Now I take you back to the start of the thread when this question was repeatedly asked of you:
WHAT IS YOUR DEFINITION OF OCCUPIED TERRITORIES?
And you refused to answer . The only reasonable inference from that would be that you see all of Israel as “occupied territory” ie you oppose the very existence of the state of Israel.

And again re Israel from Khaled Abou El Fadl
QUOTE: “moderate Muslims do not believe that Israel [or the USA are] responsible for the failure of the various Middle Eastern states to develop, modernize and democratize”