IF FUNERALS..NEED CONSIDER THINGS
LIKE sex/race age..and who gets..THE COLLECTION PLATE..
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=funeral+etiquette+-+the+collection+plate&oe

then surely]..A SUICIDE NEEDS*..SPECIAL CARE....AND BABIES NEED MORE attention..on those left behind..than the departed/HOW ARE THESE THINGS NOT RELATIVE?

THE dead DESERVE TO KNOW [BE TOLD]..whats going on with theM..[FOR EXAMPLE There are spirits sleeping away ETERNITY BECAUSE THE REALLY BELIEVE DEAD MEANS DEAD.]..BUT OFTEN THE DEAD..are so busy..simply getting on..THE ATTENDING OF THEIR OWN FUNERAL COULD SEND THEM Backwards/so they are prevented attending..

SIMPLY/NOT TOLD AS IT WOULD HURT THEM..[THUS MOST ATHEIST FUNERALS ARE lacking even the host spirit/departed.]..but they so LOVE THE DEAD..ROTTED CORPSE..LYING IN THE BOX

THUS THE Collosal ignorance's continue..
IS IT FAIR THE DEAD KNOW THEIR Dead?
IS IT FAIR/YOUR Negativity/prevents them attending their own funeral?

if you been living in france for the last weeK..THE FUNERAL IS OFTEN ENOUGH ATTRACTANT..TO BRIEFLY PULL THE SPIRIT..BACK..TO WHERE THINGS CAN BE MADE CLEAR..unmentioned is the manY OUT THERE LOOKING FOR THE LOST..WHO THINK THEIR IN A DREAM.

HOW WE CAN TALK of death..or a ritual/yet not taLK OF THE IMPORTANT STUFF..IS BEYOND ME..AND SURE ITS SOMETHING ATHEISTS WOULD AVOID EVEN US TALKING ABOUT..cause they want dead to mean ITS ALL over..when the reality is the game has only just begun.

to worry about pathetic SPLINTERS IN MINE EYE.WHEN YOU got riven planks emitted from thine../get over it/dead means THAT YOU CAN TAQLK OF THE Absurdities of israel..beiNG 'HOME'..OR remind the ignorant/that the life energy THAT ANIMATED THE FLESH..IS YET SUBJECT TO THE SAME LAWS OF ALL ENERGY

ENERGY CANT BE 'CREATED'..NOR DESTROYED

THAT INCLUDES WHEN SOMe insane spirit energy tears you limb from limb/BECAUSE THE NEXT REALM /REFLECTS THAT OF THYNE OWN INNER DEMONS

they gladly..TALK OF THE LATEST MOVIE OR POEM/YET when it comes to the realities ASSOCIATED WITH BEING DEAD..yet not being dead..no thing may be said..cause THE POOR IGNORANT ATHEIST MIGHT LEARN SOME NON FICTION..and see the reality..that yet lives on..[regardless of how much..or little you DID*..believe.

please do not forget..WE KNOW ENERGY LIVES ON
in a different state..AND IF YOU CANT EVEN BE TOLD..WHEN YOUR DEAD then when?

Dear Banjo,

>>To "imagine" that "something" can be "beyond human imagination" seems an oxymoron or, at least, an incoherence <<

Where did I write about IMAGINING (as distinct from “pointing to”) something that can be beyond human imagination?

I understand Sellick does not like funerals that simply celebrate the life of the deceased, whereas you and others do not like funerals with a Christian message. The simply solution is, don’t attend funerals that are meaningless to you unless you absolutely must, in which case accept that they might be meaningful to others.

TO SOME OF US..THIS Is life..and dead stuff
so the THREAD DAWDLES ALONG..WITH THE thought-POLICE..SAYING STICK TO/topic/limitations/word limitations..post limits..NOT WHAT U KNOW..STICK WITH WHAT?

I want to talk of..the knowable knowns
[think of poor peter..who raised the topic.,.sure..he had a bad day/ but the dead guY..HE HAD A LOUSY..FIRST re-BIRTH/DAY..Horrid funeral

who suffered..the greatest injury?
how dOEs..being nice..now..help?

anyhow..at a funeral/who gets..the take of the..collections/plate?
should the ignorant..CHOSE THE RITE..OR CREED..OR INSIGHT GET THE ROTTED Corpse..out of mind/out of sight.?..out of my church..so i can count the plate.>?

inside the sealed box..often..is a crime scene
can we aT LEAST TALK OF BODY Snatchers..?

OR OF PEACE..being..a state of mind..
or until THEY KNOW..THE dead too/SUFFER..
[or the resale values..of the bits/looted FROM THE DEAD/OR THAT THE SPIRit..that donated the organs..retains a connection..with them..[ITS THE WHOLESALE Ignorance/the dead leading the dead.

who can you trust?..

WHO CARES FOR YOu?..the departed not dead...[THE DEPARTED..WHO ARE NOW PRESENT]..TO THINK OF THEM..SANS SUMMON..THEM/..YOU WHO KNEW THEM BEST..HOW CAN WE THUS..HELP THEM BEST...FACE Up to after-lifes karmic tests.

THE ATHEIST Spirit/..THAT ONCE ANIMATED/Vibrant..godfree-flesh..is long gone..IN FACT MANY SUDDENLY..GET RELIGION SECONDS BEFORE DEATH/BUT TOo MANY..LIE FORGOTTEN IN THE Caverns..just sleeping ETERNITY AWAY..needlessly.

how can you..be content..with ignorance
/FUNERALS INST..A NO GOD/NO SPIRIT..feel good delusional-ZONE..

ITS A TIME TO..GIVE A TEACHING/LEARNING..OF OUR EARNING....not for PREACHING..CREED IS Meaningless/and helpful tips..may be that stitch in time..[although/for MANY THATS 3 DAYS TOO LATE]..[the fun starts at the time of death/but before then..THE OPTIONS MUST BE..madeCLEAR.

atheists simply speaking are wrong...[wishful=thiNKING=DELUSION]..death donT END NUTHIN
NOW WHAT?..

[Thats why i let the dead..tend the dead..CAUSE IM ONLY INTERESTED..in the living spirit/STARTING LIFE OVER..in heaven..or hell..or the astral realm...

BAH..THE ONLY FIRES IN HELL ARE THE BURNING PASSIONS
THEY feel just like the real thing..but your hates/fears bias..KEEPS PROVIDING THE FUEL.

many will kill you attack you yes and HURT YOU
BUT THAts because their mind holds control OVER YOU
grow your mind..it comes down tO WILLPOWER AND MINDSET
AND PASSION/THE ASTRAL REALM..is pure embodied emotion.
http://www.divinetruth.com/PDF/People/Other/Jane%20Sherwood%20-%20Post%20Mortem%20Journal.pdf

P.B.s.

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Dear George,

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You wrote:

"Where did I write about IMAGINING (as distinct from “pointing to”) something that can be beyond human imagination?"

Who, then, commanded the finger to point in that particular direction? Where did he get the idea from? His senses? His experience? His genes? His imagination? …

You also wrote:

"The simple solution is, don’t attend funerals that are meaningless to you …"

That was the point I was making when I wrote:

"Of course, most people never go to church these days, except for funerals. . If Fra Sellick had his way, they would stop going to funerals too.

Who are funerals for anyway ? . Fra Sellick ? . God (presuming he exists) ? …"

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Dear One Under God,

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The last two funerals I went to here in Paris were both Catholic funerals and there was a collection plate passed around at both.

I honestly can't remember for certain how much I put in but I think it was probably a 20 euro note each time.

At the first funeral which was for a neighbour in my building, nobody spoke during the service except the priest who said a few words about the deceased. Less than ten people attended the service, including my wife and myself.

At the second funeral, there were about fifty or sixty people. The deceased was the wife of a couple about the same age as my wife and myself. We are friends of their son's wife who is Chinese and whom I had hired to open an office in Beijing for my company.

Again, nobody spoke at the service apart from the priest who said a few words about the deceased.

Since the death of his wife, we continue to maintain close relations with the widower who now lives alone in Paris. His son and daughter-in-law (our Chinese friend) live in Beijing.

I, personally, have no trouble attending any sort of religious ceremony, whatever it is. One of the more notable services I attended was the wedding of one of my secretaries in a suburb of Paris. Again it was a Catholic service and quite a colourful event with a local rock band.

I have also attended much more formal, stately funerals for some of France's well known political figures.

I do not judge any of them and am happy to participate in whatever form of ceremony is conducted. I recite the prayers like everyone else, sing the hymns, bow, genuflect, cross myself, sprinkle holy water on coffins, wear a kippah on my head in Jewish temples, take off my shoes before entering mosques, and so on.

Unlike Fra Sellick, I accept all religious beliefs, practices and philosophies as being equally honourable and respectable - for the deceased and all those who mourn them.

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WE ARE MISSING OUT..ON WHAT WOULD MAKE THE FUNERAL MORE FUN ANd less managerial..i hate the external SUFFERING SOME CLEARLY HAVE[IN THE MAIN BECAuse i know thAT REAL GRIEF..CUTS THE DEPARTED SPIRIT/TOO DEEP

and kiddies too..tHEY OFTEN SEEK TO WATCH THE REPLY..OF THE EVENT THEY WERE TOO SMALL TOO attend/then there are the forgotten/[the aborTED]..THAT WERE LITTLE MORE THAN A CLUMP of cells..[as mentioned IN GONE WEST]..MERE SPEcks..THAT died then WERE/completely FORGOTTEN

MAY BEST BE-SPOKEN..IN POEM

http://www.google.com.au/search?q=comforting+grieving+poems&i

Tears have a wisdom...all OF their own.
They come..when a person has relaxed enough..to let IT ALL go
and to wASH through his (AND her) sorrow.

TEARS are the natural bleeding..of an emotional wound,
carrying the poison out of the system.
Here-IN lies the road to DIScovery.

~ F. Alexander Magoun

I do not believe..that sheer suffering teaches..ANYTHING AT ALL.
If suffering alone reveals LIFE'S LESSON As taught,
all the world would be wiser,..but..

since everyone suffers...NEEDLESSLY..LET THE DEPENDENCE PUT UPON Sufferance..be end

To suffering must be added
understanding, patience, love, openness
and the willingness to remain vulnerable...GRIEVE IF YOU MUST
mourning,..will not LAST..LIVE FOR TOMORROW..NOT GRIEVE FOR TIMES PAST.

http://www.griefhealing.com/comfort-grieving-hearts.htm

~ Anne Morrow Lindbergh