<<MY GUESS:....da..vid and I t/ake>>

ohh..i note your having..no space bar either
plus unable to see..the smaller script..

ps the following..is as i typed it..

now i will try correct it..
to try to make it..more comprehensible
when..i try..to edit..the channeled gibberish..into what more closly resembles logic

AS..WAS WROTE

psthe following..isa as ityped it..first
then i willcorreect it..totry tocomprehend
when.youtrytomake make mmy jibberish..the channeled gibberish..intologic

i note below..again..
you have the same handicap

<<wrist(twist)...ist..fist..risky/frisky/whisky>>
and some insistent..<<fisty/feisty..risky/frisky/whisky>>...demons

<<not george..gorge..oh/no..no/go>>

me neither

<<get..it one/odour?
whata/bout..jew?>>

yes
im heading..into the casim../gorge..

not george

<<wonder/good..>>

thankyou

<<wonder/bra..>>
too good by half

<<wander/here..wander/there..>>

yes

<<rwanda/everywhere>>

no

<<yes/or/no..how long..before you decide..>>
instantly..live time all the time

wander/there
wander/here

<<..all the prophecy..still alive..>>

no..it expired..
the second..it was made known

<<ELIMINATE it or DIE with it...?>>

no..its a valid way..
to..try to reason out..or plan..for what..may occur next?

<<that is the question

Bango/Mango QUOTE:

“if you lead..your life..the right way,
the karma..will take care of itself...”>>

agreed

when you..<<have faith..take care..
beware in the end..we got ..no/hair>>..

<<you are there..!>>

thus not here.
here hear..not there

<<“I should/have..grown..a pair of ragged/claws
and be scuttling..across the floors of..silent seas”>>

funny you sound
much like those..with satan..at the fall

many..built
our own earthy bodies
but got..the scale wrong
as the beasts..of many fold design..
extinct and living..reveal..to this day

<<time for tea...

oh/we are/in..

out !
Bongo Platypus ...>>

cheers bingo..keep..smiling

imlaghingmuguts out

Continued

George cited: “The belief that democracy is or could be a universal Western value, a gift of Europe to the world, dies hard”.

It is a source of great conflict to try to export one’s political system to the world. Unfortunately the democratic nations have been pervaded by the Christian missionary impulse. The evil goes back to Matthew 28:19.

George wrote: “Maybe so, but the Greeks were the first to “market it” (like Apple were not the inventors of the mouse, only the first to bring it to the computing public).”

Actually the Greeks did not market democracy. It was effectively marketed by the English educational system of which the founding fathers of the US were also a product.

History as interpreted by the English educational system saw a linear tradition extending from the Greeks, Romans and flowering in the British Empire and the American Commonweal. This tradition saw the export of these ‘noble’ values in its mission to civilize the civilize the world.

The British and the Americans both saw themselves as heirs to the traditions of classical civilization.

http://www.hist.cam.ac.uk/prospective-undergrads/virtual-classroom/secondary-source-exercises/sources-whig tells of the Whig view of history which is a similar development.

Public monuments such as the Jefferson memorial modeled after the Pantheon of Rome in Washington, DC were built in the classical tradition.

Actually our culture is the product of many other influences.

Algorithm, algebra, apogee, perigee, alembic, zenith and nadir are some of the words in mathematics, chemistry and astronomy which show the influence of the Islamic world on our culture.

John Hobson in "The Eastern Origins of Western Civilisation" regards western civilisation as an offshoot of developments in Africa and Asia. The Chinese had the seed drill 2,200 years before it got to Sicily, printing with movable type in Korea 400 years before Gutenberg, blast furnaces in China 1,700 years before they were in Europe etc.

Before the nineteenth century Europe acknowledged that debt. However, in the nineteenth century Weber, a capitalist historian, and Marx, an anti-capitalist historian, denied the debt to Asia and Africa and saw the east as characterised by 'oriental despotism.

Mathew/28/ atheist/commentary
http://atheism.about.com/od/biblegospelofmark/a/dating.htm

http://atheism.about.com/od/biblegospelofmark/a/mark12d.htm

<<..Mark was written..in an environment
where Roman rule..was a constant presence...There are many clear signs that Mark..
*has gone to great lengths..to absolve Romans of the responsibility..for Jesus’ death — even to the point of painting Pontius Pilate..as a weak, indecisive leader rather than the brutal tyrant..that everyone knew him to be.>>

my point..in quoting this..is to point out
that first written..by say matthew..ENDING..at 28;27..

<<..[now i have told you]>>

but also notice..the later edit..by same auther
at 28;10..

..<<..JESUS said;,,edit
<<..go tell my brothers*..>>

GO TELL..my..BROTHERS

now lets examin..the OTHER word..[diciple]

first/used in 28;12..
by the..elders..met with priests
to fake/up things..via saul/paul

[the word..THEY used..was disciples..
NOT the word..jesus used.."brothers*..[28;10]

ok

back to the athiest link

<<..Instead of the Romans,
Mark’s author.,.lays the blame with the Jews —
primarily the leaders..but also to the rest of the people..to a certain* degree.>>

most certainly

<<..This would have made things much easier for his audience. Had the Romans discovered a religious movement focused upon a political revolutionary executed for crimes against the state, they would have clamped down much harder than they already were doing.>>

or rather paul/saul..*was doing
hushing up the christ..still living..[in spirit]
watching/karma..as saul..by turning brothers into...disciples

its basic balance
dualism..to allow freewill

see gone west
or 30 years among the dead pdf's

<<..As it was,
a religious movement..
focused upon on obscure Jewish prophet
who broke a few irrelevant Jewish laws thus..could be largely ignored..when there weren’t direct orders..from Rome to increase the pressure.>>

because saul..
[christs mortal-enemy]..was on..the job*

creating creed*..by creating disciples*..
WHERE clearly..christ..only had...BRR-other..ie brothers*

no bother brother

anyhow..recall..the officer
here he commits the mortal sin

recall..he took over his enemies body
did many vile things to it..and the story continues
from his feelings..at knowing..his foe is sentenced..to death
[and BY..being filled with hatred..[dying angry]..he is thus sure..to join..him soon..

but..the officer/writes it best

<<..“Now my joy..was almost complete;..*>>

except for..karma

<<..but gradually..various/things..intervened to mar it.

He still..vowed his innocence..though
it made..no difference..*to his ultimate/fate.

Further,..his wife,..who,..in spite of,,his genuine faults,..loved him still,..and of course knew..him well,..believed him..when he declared that..he had no recollection..of all his various..misdeeds;..

she accepted..the/view
that..he had been..temporarily....insane.

“This..had the effect..of softening
his rebellious..spirit,..which at first
seemed..likely to..drag him down..at the moment..of death..*and make him join us.

The prison/chaplain..also believed him..and consoled him,
despite&..all I could do..to prevent it...In short,..when we
gathered..*at the execution,.*expecting..an angry..and revengeful
spirit..

who would be..compelled
to/join us,..and over whom..I..have control.

by having..a stronger personality,..could dominate,..
we found..quite a band..of spirits of/light..who*
surrounded him..with a guard and kept us at bay
and took him away..whither we knew not.

These events..took place..in the United States.
“Suddenly..I became aware.,.
of the fact..that a change..was taking place..*in me.

My..psychic [asytral-soul]..body
seemed..to be slipping..away..from me,
and..strive as I would.. I could not hold on/to..it.

“‘Where..am I going?..I cried
to the evil/guide..who haunted me.

“‘To Hell,’..he replied;
‘don’t you..think it’s time?’

“‘But..you said..that by doing
these things..I should keep..nourishing this psychic body?’

“‘For a time,.I said;
and so you did...Anyway,..you are leaving it..now.’

“‘What is this..other body
in which..I am clothed?’..I cried despairingly.

“‘Your spiritual body,”..he answered,
‘and in it..you will really..begin to suffer.’
“And as he spoke..I realized..how he gloated over me.

How I loathed him!..But it was..so,..
and i..was..in Hell..and not yet..at the bottom.
That,..alas!..was still to come.

But I have..written enough.tonight.

“There is a warning ..in almost
every line..of this,..so do not think
these revelations are..*unnecessary.

Study them..and think them over.
TEST them..

Mr.L.will now take control..to close.
“Good-bye..for the present. —THE OFFICER.”

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Dear One Under God,

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Thank you for that enlightening insight to your character, personality and individuality as revealed by the forum dedicated to you here on OLO entitled (incorrectly) “Veto Under One God”, which received the specific approval (for publication and debate) of Graham Young:

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=5995&page=0

I was not aware you were such a star on OLO. The case must be quite unique.

Like many of the participants on this forum, it seems, I too sensed that I should take a step in your direction in order to get to know you a little better. Hence my somewhat gauche attempt to speak your language.

I may not have succeeded in entering your world but, at least, I got a glimpse of it and the little I saw was quite fascinating.

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I am also grateful for your clear response to my questions which I note as follows:

[ ,,>>malicious in/cite/ment..>>..

there is no malice..in this site..
intended or meant

i agree..incitement
has..<<NO PLACE..in religion>>.

i agree..it..<<nurtures
<<fanatic/ism..cruelty/destruction..>>..
creating a ..<<..gangrene/s society>>

yes..its a
..<<problem..deep-rooted..
in the very heart of..“wholy script's..>>.. ]

I value your opinion as I do that of David and George, which are, respectively:

David f:

“Malicious incitement has every place in religion. Nothing unites believers as well as hatred of the unbeliever. This is often done while proclaiming love of the unbeliever in seeking to correct the unbeliever of error. It is at the heart of the missionary religions and present in the non-missionary religions.”

George:

“Perhaps Jesus knew of your epilogue, since he warned explicitly: “Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted (through the gardener-pig), shall be rooted up” (Matthew 15:13). This rooting up could also mean a long process throughout history that we all participate, or should participate, in.”

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These opinions were in relation to mine which I expressed initially as:

[ Re: incitement to murder, torture or hatred etc. in the bible and the quran :

The fact that it has been going on for nearly two thousand years is no excuse, in my opinion. It is about time it ceased. Better late than never. Malicious incitement has no place in religion. It nurtures fanaticism, cruelty and destruction and gangrenes society.

The problem is it is so deep-rooted in the very heart of the “holy scriptures” that there is a maximum risk of death in any surgical operation undertaken to eliminate it.” ]

Which I later illustrated in my epilogue to the parable George wrote as a sequel to the fable of the three little pigs:

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15257#267429

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Perhaps I am mistaking my desires for reality, but I can’t help feeling it is possible that our four individual opinions could be interpreted as converging towards something resembling a consensus ... whether fact or faith based.

And so the curtain falls:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTJZHxdviKA

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