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Is being a scientist compatible with believing in God? : Comments

By George Virsik, published 19/7/2013

Conflicts arise only when religion is seen as ersatz-science and/or science as ersatz-religion.

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Choosing Heaven...means..letting..the truth..return..
to our *awareness...fearlessly passionately.

In Heaven..is everything..God values,
[which..is..of..themselves..[by freewill]..
that..consciously admit/chose..god/good/grace/mercy..
passion..to LOVE*..other..as the way..to love god..and nothing else.

Heaven is perfectly..unambiguous...love/good..love/god..
by actively..being..embodiment..of love for other..[who is not..a bother?]

Everything..is clear and bright,
and..this heavenly love..calls forth..one response,

which..is unknowable..till you feel it..
its..beyond ,material-ism...object-ify-ism....or sub-jective injective-isms....

move..beyond self..
those bound..for heaven..are already living it..
realiz-ing..

real-ly.....it is here now..
[always was..always will..be]
so...its no rush..thus..abuse freewill while you can

[you take heaven..or hell..with-in you..always..[you will allways have me]

till you change inside..your caught up..inside the materialist/flesh..outside

but..ido see..
im..flogging a dead topic
for what?..let it die..not even try?..why?

somehow..they sense..heaven..on earth..
but cant be bothered knowing..it
http://acimheaven.net/earth-is-in-heaven

who claims infallibly..?
to..judge that unknowable?

its self/defeating..negative/mind talk
you abused..free-will..into OBEY..[lol]..the whisperings
of those not wanting you..to know..

[thus you...ever need to..rely..on..
their un-knowable knowns..they dont want..you knowing

see you..not
the seeds..you are sowing?

nurturing/defending.. finality..[delusional finality]
when..your of reality..borne immortal./.of immateriality

[quoting..authoritatively..of course]

but..heck you want to
feign..dead..thats your delusion

bah
let sleepy logs lie..logs inert..in-curious..
the why/where-for..stripped..of their..bite..as much as their bark

yeah..im..over it too
woof woof..proof poof.
Posted by one under god, Saturday, 19 October 2013 10:18:25 AM
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http://www.placeboeffect.com/how-the-placebo-effect-works/

A..placebo..Latin."I..shall please"
[2]from place.."I please")

What we..don’t realize..is..that biology
and..physics..teach us..[..program]..how..we see the world

The placebo/effect..can be produced by..false information,

The trunk and branches..of how..the placebo effect..works
lies..in..how we..interpret..the observations..we make..in the world.

We define..interpretations
as thoughts..and emotions..or beliefs.

We..do not take..any action at all..without that action being reinforced..by our..beliefs..(interpretations/of.our observations)..about the world.

Actions..are essential..for the placebo-effect..we..create actions that..reinforce*..those observations..and interpretations.

The..higher-brain..works..by regulating/subcortical-processes.
High..placebo responses..link with enhanced..dopamine..and mu-opioid activity..>>

that explains..much.....
fanatics..are stoned..or get stoned

<<..in/the circuitry..for reward responses..and
*motivated behavior..of the nucleus accumbens,..and,..on the converse,..anti-analgesic nocebos..responses..were associated/with deactivation..in this part/of..the brain of..dopamine and opioid release

"meaning response"..the meaning/that..the brain..associates..with the placebo,..which causes..a physiological.,.placebo effect

Most/of..our observations..don’t exist..at a..conscious-level. There’s..an overload..of sensory information..in the world,..and to consciously analyze..*all of it..would be impossible.>>>

your..fighting.your whole mindset
*programed..into you..by other.

<<..It..is believed/..that the..*subconscious-brain..can simultaneously..compute..*up to one-million/stimuli..at a time!

So..we go..about..our daily/lives..with our..human supercomputers observing,..interpreting,..and acting..on mountains.of information,,most of..which..we are..CHOSING..to-be..unaware of.

The/placebo-effect..is related to..the perceptions..and expectations of..the patient;..*if..the substance is..viewed/trusted..as helpful, it..can heal,..but,..if it is..viewed as harmful,..*it can cause negative effects,..[deny-ers]..which..is known..as..the nocebo effect.

Because..placebos..are dependent/upon perception..and expectation, various factors..that change..YOUR..perception..can increase the magnitude..of the..entertainment..of..placebo response.

Placebos ..an act similarly..through..classical-conditioning,
wherein..a placebo..and an actual stimulus..are used..simultaneously until..the placebo..is associated..with the effect..from the actual stimulus.[38]

Both..conditioning..and expectations..play a role..in placebo effect,[39]..and..make..*different kinds..of contribution*.

Conditioning..has..a longer-lasting..effect,[40]
and..can affect..earlier/stages..of..information processing.[41]

The..expectancy_effect..can be enhanced..through factors..such as..the enthusiasm..of..the doctor,[OR INFLUENTIAL/PEER*]..differences..in size..and color..of placebo..effect..or the..use of..other interventions[peer pressure/to..conform]

Our..interpretations..of the world..represent
the bulk..of..our mental-experience..as most..of us..don’t sit and observe quietly..*with a blank mind,..*rather..we create thoughts..and emotions..*that we attach..*to..the uses..of the observations..we choose..*to pay attention..*to..in the world.

and..what..we actively..ignore..

Our..*interpretations..loves hates/fears/hoped/bias..are often patterned..they are..how we,,have chosen..to..see the world,..and the patterned-interpretations..we make..can last a lifetime.

Our interpretations,..alone,..drive
the observations..we seek out,..and the way..we choose
to act..in the world ..how we treat..ourselves..and others).

The fruit/of..how the placebo=effect..works..is our actions.
or deliberated lack..of them..

Our actions..are the..ritualized/automatic/eratic..behaviors..
that we engage..in..to either..reinforce..the positive-change..we wish to see..in our lives,..or negate..it...in..preference..with others...less extreme,..pushy.
Posted by one under god, Saturday, 19 October 2013 6:41:43 PM
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rest of page 51

You can save a lot of time,..however,..if you do not need..to extend this step unduly.
The correct focus..will shorten it immeasurably.
Papers..will be very easy..to write as this time..is shortened.

The Atonement..is the Only defense..which cannot be used destructively. That is
because, while everyone*..must eventually join it,
it was not a device..which was generated..by man.

The Atonement PRINCIPLE..was in effect long before..the Atonement itself was..begun...The active-Principle..is love,..and the Atonement itself,..was an ACT of love.

Acts were/not necessary..before the Separation, .because the time-space belief..did not exist.

It was only..after the Separation..that the defense of Atonement,
and the necessary/conditions..for its fulfillment..were planned. It became increasingly apparent..that all of the
defenses which man..can choose to use constructively..or destructively were not enough
to save him.

It was therefore..decided..that he needed a defense
which was so splendid..that he/could not misuse it,..or confuse it.. although he COULD..refuse it...His will could/not turn it..into a weapon
of attack,..[abuse]..which is the inherent characteristic..of all other defenses.

The Atonement thus
becomes..the only defense..which was NOT a two-edged sword...[freewill..awnyone?]

The Atonement..actually began long..*before the Crucifixion.
Many Souls offered their/efforts..on behalf of the Separated Ones..but they could not..withstand the strength of the
attack,..and had to be brought back.

Angels came,..too,
but their protection..was not enough,..because the Separated ones
were not interested..in peace...They had already split themselves, and..were bent on dividing..rather than reintegrating.

The levels they introduced..into themselves
turned against each.other, .and they, in turn,..turned against each other.

They established differences,..divisions,creeds/rites..cleavages, dispersion,..collectivism selectivity..elect-iveism..and all the other concepts..related to..the increasing splits they
produced.

Not being in their Right Minds,
they turned their..defenses from protection..to assault,and acted literally insanely.

It was essential..to introduce a split-proof device which could
be used..*ONLY to heal,..if it was used at all.
..
The Atonement was built..into the space-time belief..in order to set a limit..on the need..*for the belief,..[miracle]..and ultimately to make learning complete...[rev-elation]

The Atonement..IS the final
lesson...>>..

but..who cares
offer..was refused..but..not denied

they..you..so love..their/your self and/man-made..placebo;s
dont even recognize..the real thing..cant see..the living/loving/truth
http://miraclevision.com/acim/urtext/acim-urtext-2003-upe-ready-edition.pdf
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 20 October 2013 7:49:54 AM
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finsh/page..51..ok
The Atonement..IS..the final-lesson.

Learning,..itself,..is/like..the..MATERIALIST/classrooms..in which it occurs,..[this]..is temporary...Let all those..who overestimate human intelligence..remember this.

(HS questions/last sentence,.which
she perceives..as threatening.)
The ability to learn..has no value..when change
of understanding..the unseen..is no longer necessary.
The eternally...self creative..have nothing..but..wanting..to learn.

Only after..the Separation was it necessary..to direct
the creative force..to learning,..because changed behavior..like the times..had become mandatory.

Human beings..can learn to improve..their behavior,
and can also learn.to become.better and better learners...This increase serves...(HS notes that/this was written..“served”)

serves..to bring materiaalists..in closer
and closer accord..with the Son-ship...But..the Sonship itself
is..of itself..a..perfect creation,..and perfection is not a matter of degree...Only while..there are different/degrees..is learning meaningful.

The evolution of man..is merely a process..by which he
proceeds..from one degree..to the next...He corrects his previous missteps..by stepping-forward...

This represents..a process which is actually..incomprehensible in temporal/materialistic terms,because..he RETURNS..as he progresses. (Originally,..was..“goes forward”,..rather than..“progresses”)

the Atonement..is the device by which..he can free himself..from the past..

as he goes..ahead...It wills..the UNDOING..of his past errors,..thus making it unnecessary..for him to keep retracing/his steps without advancing..toward his return.

In this sense,..the Atonement saves time,..but,
like the miracle...which serves it,..revelation..does/not abolish it. As long as..there is..the need for Atonement,..there is need for time.

But the..Atonement,..as a completed plan,
does have a unique relationship..to time...place ..Until the
Atonement is finished,..its various phases..will proceed IN time,..but..the whole Atonement..stands at its end.

At this point,..the bridge of the return..has been built.
(Note to HS. The reason..this is upsetting to you..is because the Atonement is a..TOTAL commitment...toall..equally[workmans wages=grace=equaly]..

You still think..this is associated..with loss...of credit..you feel..rite/tight/ritualised living..'produced'.. This..is the same mistake..ALL the Separated ones..make,..in one way or another.

They cannot believe..that a defense
which CANNOT..attack also..IS the best defense.
Except for this misperception,..the angels/miracles..alone..COULD have helped them...

What do you think..“the meek..shall inherit..*the earth”..means?

earth=exasperation/separation/dispersion/division/derision..[materialism][racism/sexism/dualism/confusion-ism.

They..will literally take..it over..because of their..conjoined emotive..miss/perceived-strength. ..its A two-way/defense..thus is inherently/weak,..

precisely BECAUSE it has two edges..it can turn against the self..very unexpectedly...hurtfully..grossly..materially..temporarily

This tendency..CANNOT be controlled..EXCEPT by miracles.)
wrought..by..true/seeing/hearing/feeling/being/kmowing/showing

ok im going
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 20 October 2013 8:21:23 AM
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page/54
http://miraclevision.com/acim/urtext/acim-urtext-2003-upe-ready-edition.pdf

He..said..he was..“VERY pleased..at/the..COMPARATIVE..lack of fear, and..also the..concomitant/awareness..that it[a negative event]..mentioned[reclassifying-dead/thread]
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15557&page=0

the..thought-projection..WAS..misperception...resiting..it showed much..greater strength,..and..a much/increased application/of..Right/Mindedness...
This..is because defenses..are now..being used..much better,..on behalf/of..truth more..so..than error,.though..not completely so.

The..weaker ab-use..[of mis-projection]..is shown..by my/recognition that..it can’t REALLY..*be..*that way,..which became..possible as soon as..denial was applied..against error,..NOT/truth.>>

[EVEN..a beast..in..the/stable..
KNOWS..its masters voice]...This..clear-error..permitted..a much greater awareness..*of..alternative/interpretations...It..was also explained..(the/shift]..from the passive..

instead of..“He..also/explained”..should be noted...
This is..and expression..of fear.)..“Remember..the section..[..in “Letters..from/the..Scattered/Brotherhood”]..you read..last evening about..the..importance..of focus..‘Hold fast’,..and..please do so now.

You know..that..*when..our defenses..[and..mind-disillusioning]..are disrupted..there is..a period..of real disorientation,accompanied..by fear,guilt,..and usually vacillations..between anxiety..and depression...the urge..to..run/hide.;)

This process..is different..only in/that..defenses
are not..being disrupted,..but..re-interpreted,..even though..it may be experienced..as the same thing...In the.reinterpretation..of our conscious/defenses,..they are not/disrupted..but their use..*for ATTACK..*is lost.

Since..this means..they can/be..used only..ONE way,
they..became MUCH stronger,..and much more dependable...They no longer oppose..the Atonement,..but greatly facilitate..it.

The Atonement..can only/be..accepted within you.
You have..experienced it..largely as..EXTERNAL..thus far,
and..that is why..your..EXPERIENCE of it..has been..unremarkable/minimal.

You..have been SHOWN..the chalice..many times,
but..have not/accepted..it..“for your self”..Your major/improper use of..inner/mind-talk-defenses..is now..largely limited..to externalization.

Do not fail/to..appreciate..your own remarkable..progress in this respect...You perceived it..first as..a vessel..of some sort..whose purpose.was uncertain..but which might..be a pis-pot...You DID notice,..however,..that the..INSIDE was gold,..while
the OUTSIDE,..though shiny,..was silver.

This was a..recognition of the fact..that the INNER*-part.is more precious..than the OUTER=side,..even though both..are resplendent, though..with different value.

The reinterpretation..of defenses..is essential to
break open..the..sensibility..of our INNER minds-light.[H/M..awareness]

Since..the/Separation,
man’s defenses..have been used..almost entirely..to
defend..themselves AGAINST..the Atonement,[at-one-meant]..and..thus strive..endlessly..to maintain..their Separation...

They generally..see this..as a need to/protect..the flesh-body..from external intrusion..or intruding)..[possession]..and this/kind..of misperception..is..largely..AS..responsible..for the homosexual/fallacy..as/for..your..own pregnancy fears.

The so-called..“anal”..behavior..is a..distorted/attempt
of the ego..to “steal”..the dreaded..Atonement,..[of fear of loss of self/but..see jesus=still jesus..[get over it]

and..deny..its worth/by concealing it,..and that..holding onto it with..a bodily receptacle,..which is regarded as/particularly vicious. “

Oral” fantasies..are rather similar..in purpose,..except/that
they stem/more..from a sense..of deprivation/exclusion,..and..the insatiable/thirst..which results...“Anal” fallacies are/more of a refusal..to give,..while oral fantasies..emphasize..a distorted need to take.

The/main error..in both..is the belief/that..the body
can/be used..as a means..for attaining-higher mind Atonement.

Perceiving..the body/the name/the religious prophet..as the Temple is..only the first step..in correcting..these..kind's of distortion.

(HS scalded..her hand, and looked for/relief
It occurred..to her that the..Atonement was the cure.

Burn appeared..to be minimal,..
and caused..little..discomfort.)[see placebo]
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 20 October 2013 4:06:12 PM
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from/page55
http://miraclevision.com/acim/urtext/acim-urtext-2003-upe-ready-edition.pdf

seeing..the body..as the Temple
alters..part of..the misperception,..but..not all of it.

It DOES recognize,.however,..that the concept of addition or subtraction..in PHYSICAL terms..is not..appropriate.
But..the next step..is to realize..that a Temple..is not*..a building at all...Its REAL holiness..lies in the INNER altar,[heart-lovves]..around which*..the building..[body]..is built.*

The inappropriate..emphasis
which men..have put..on beautiful church BUILDINGS..is a sign of their own fear..of
Atonement,..and unwillingness..to reach the altar itself...The REAL beauty..of the Temple
cannot be seen..with the physical eye.
[The spiritual eye,.on the..other hand,.cannot see the
building at all,..but it..*perceives the altar..within*..with perfect clarity.

This is because the
spiritual-eye..has perfect vision.

For perfect effectiveness,..the chalice..of the Atonement belongs at the center..of the
inner altar,..where it undoes..the Separation,..and restores the wholeness of the Spirit.
Before the Separation,..the mind was invulnerable to fear,..because fear did not exist. Both
the Separation..and the fear were MISCREATIONS..of the mind,..which have to be undone.

This is what the Bible means..by the “Restoration of the Temple”.
It DOES NOT mean..the
restoration of the building,..but it DOES mean..the opening of the altar..to receive the/Atonement.

This heals the Separation,..and places within..*man..the one defense against all
separation-mind errors..which can make him perfectly invulnerable.
The acceptance..of the Atonement by everyone..is only a matter of time.*..In fact,..both
TIME..and MATTER were created..for this purpose,.

This appears..to contradict..free-will,
because of..the inevitability..of this decision.

If you review..the idea carefully,..you will..realize that this is not true...Everything is limited..in some way..by the manner of its creation.

Free will can temporize,..and is capable..of enormous procrastination...But it cannot depart
entirely*..from its Creator,..who set the limits on its ability to miscreate..by virtue of its own
real purpose.

The misuse of will..engenders a situation which,..in the extreme, becomes altogether..intolerable..Pain thresholds.can be high,.but they are not limitless...Eventually,.everybody
begins to recognize,..however dimly,.that there MUST be a better way.

As this recognition
is more firmly established,..it becomes..a perceptual turning-point. This ultimately..reawakens
the spiritual eye,..simultaneously weakening..the investment in physical sight..The
alternating investment..in the two types/or levels..of perception is usually experienced as..conflict..for a long time,..and can become very acute.

But..the outcome..is as certain as God.
The spiritual eye..*literally CANNOT SEE error,
and..merely looks for Atonement.
Posted by one under god, Monday, 21 October 2013 5:44:08 AM
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