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Is being a scientist compatible with believing in God? : Comments

By George Virsik, published 19/7/2013

Conflicts arise only when religion is seen as ersatz-science and/or science as ersatz-religion.

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the.corrective_process.

Try..saying..to yourself..
that you..*MUST have willed..not to love
somehow..or somewhere,..or..that fear which..arises from..our..willful..behavior..could not..have happened.

Then..follow previous
instructions.

If..you/consider..what..the process..really means,
it_is..nothing/more.than a series of..pragmatic steps
in..the/larger..process..of accepting./the Atonement..as.THE remedy.

From/this..viewpoint,
the steps..can be..reworded..as follows:

1.)..Know first..that/this..is of..self-inner-fear.
2.)..know..Fear arises..from..feelings/emoting..our lack of love.
3.)..The ONLY remedy..for lack of..love..[revelation]..is perfect higher-mind/love.

4.)..Perfect..eternal/living/loving..awareness
of fraternal/presence..IS..the Atonement.

The final..procedural step..(3)
is.inherent..in the..last statement..(4).

We..have emphasized..that the miracle,..or the EXPRESSION of the Atonement,..is always*..a sign of..*real respect*..*from..the worthy TO..the worthy.

This worth..IS re-established..by the Atonement.

It is obvious,..then,..that when..you are afraid
you have placed..yourself..in a position..where..you NEED Atonement BECAUSE..you have DONE/something..loveless because..you WILLED..[created]..without..pre..un-conditional-love.

This is..precisely the situation..for which the Atonement was
offered...The need..for the remedy..inspired its CREATION.

As long..as you recognize..*only the NEED
for..the/a..remedy,..you will remain fearful.

However,..as soon as..you REMEDY it,
you have also..abolished the fear...This is how TRUE..healing occurs.

Everyone experiences fear.. and nobody enjoys it.
Yet,..it would take very..little Right-thinking..to know why it occurs.

Neither..you nor B.
have thought..about it..very much,..either.
(i..object..at this point.to the use/of plural
verb..with a..properly singular..subject]

HS]..and remember..that last time..in a very similar sentence,
He said.,.it..correctly and I..remembered it..with real pleasure.

Q:..ie..hs/thought..[This real,,grammatical error..makes
me suspicious..of..the genuineness..of these notes.

Answer:..What..it really shows..is that YOU are..not very receptive. The reason..it came out..that way,..is because you are projecting (in the..inappropriate way)..your own anger,..which has nothing..to do with these notes.

YOU..made the error,..because you
are/not..feeling loving,..so you want..me
to sound silly,..so you..won’t have to pay..attention.

Actually,..I am trying..to get through..against considerable
opposition,..*because..you are not..very happy,.and I wish.you were.

I thought..I’d take a/chance,..even though..you are so resistant, because..I MIGHT be..able to help..make you feel/better...You may be unable not to..attack at all,..but..please..do try..to listen a little,..too.)

Very few people..appreciate..the real..power/of..the mind.
*Nobody..remains fully aware..of it..*all the time.

This..is.;.inevitable..in this/world,.because..the human-being
has many/things..he must do,..and..thus..cannot/engage..in constant thought-watching...*However,;.if he/hopes..to spare..himself from fear,..there are..some things..he must realize,

and realize..them/fully,..at least/some.of the time.
The mind..is a..very powerful creator,..and..it..never,,loses its creative_force
Posted by one under god, Monday, 21 October 2013 10:16:04 AM
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The..world ..is full of..endless/examples..of how man..
has..depreciated himself..because he..is afraid of..his own thoughts.

In some..forms of insanity,..thoughts..are glorified,..but..this is only..because the underlying/depreciation..was too effective for tolerance.

The truth ..s that there..ARE no..“idle thoughts”.
ALL thinking..produces form..at some..level.

The reason why..people are afraid..of ESP,..and
so often..react against it,..is because..they KNOW *..that thought can hurt them.

*Their..own thoughts..have made them vulnerable.
You and B.,..who complain..all the time about fear,..still persist in creating it..most of/the time...I told you..last time that you cannot ask ME..to release..you from it,..because..*I..KNOW it does not exist.

YOU don’t.

If I..merely intervene..between your thoughts and
their..results,..I would be tampering..with..a basic law
of cause..and effect,..in fact the most..fundamental one..there is in this world.

I..would hardly help..if I depreciated the power..of your own thinking...This would be/in direct opposition..to the purpose of this course.

It..is certainly.much more useful..to remind you
that..you do not guard..your thoughts/at all..carefully,..except for a relatively..small part of the day,..and somewhat..inconsistently
even then.

You may feel..at this point..that it would take
a miracle..to enable you..to do this,..which is perfectly true.

Human-beings..are not..used to miraculous thinking,..but
they CAN/be TRAINED..to think..that way...All miracle-workers..HAVE to be trained..that way...I have to be able/to..count on them...This means..that I cannot..allow them to..leave their mind*..unguarded,..or they will/not..be/able..to help me.

Miracle-working..entails a full realization..of the power of thought, and..real avoidance..of miscreation...Otherwise,..the miracle will be necessary..to set the mind..ITSELF straight,..a circular process which..would hardly..foster the..time-collapse..for which/the miracle was intended.

Nor..would it..induce..the healthy respect
that every..miracle-worker..must have..for true cause..and good-effect.

Miracles..cannot free..the miracle-worker ..rom fear.
Both miracles..AND fear come*..from his thoughts,..and if
he were..not free..to choose one,..he would also..not be free to
choose.the other.

Remember,..we said before..that when..
by..electing..one person,..you reject..another.
It is much..the same in electing..the miracle..By so..doing,..you HAVE rejected fear...annd radiate/love.

Fear..cannot assail..one..unless it..has been created...by that same..one..You and B...have been..afraid of God,..as well..as of me,
been afraid..of yourselves,..and of practically..*everyone you know at..one time or another...

This..can only/be..because you*..have miscreated..of the fear..of all of us,[at/one time././or other]..and..believe in..what you/have created.

(We spent..a lot of..time..on this..before,
but..it did-not help..very/much.)..You..would never/have
done this..if you were/not..afraid of..even..your own thoughts.

The vulnerable..are essentially..miscreators,
because..*they..misperceive gods..amassing-Creation.
Posted by one under god, Monday, 21 October 2013 6:27:59 PM
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You and B...are willing..to accept..primarily
what does NOT change..your minds too/much,..and this..leaves you free to leave..them quite unguarded..most of the time.

You persist..in believing..that when..you do not..*consciously
watch..your mind's..variable..inputs...live-time..in the/living moment..it is..leads..to..non-being..un-mindful...seeing..imagined hearing..[imagined fearing..fear-rearing]

It..is time..to consider..the whole world..
of the unconscious,..or unwatched/un-noted..closed mind...This
will frighten you,..because it is..the..very/source..of fright.

You may look..at it..as a..new theory
of/basic..conflict,..if you wish,..
which..will not..be entirely ..an intellectual approach,..
because I/doubt..if..the truth..of it..will..escape you entirely.

The unwatched mind..is responsible..for the whole content.
of the unconscious,..which..lies above..the miracle-level.

All psychoanalytic theorists..have made some..contribution to
the truth..in this connection,..but none..of them..has seen it..in its true entirety...(The correct/grammar here..is a sign..of your better cooperation...with..the process,..Thank you.)

Jung’s..best contribution..was an awareness
of individual..vs...Collective unconscious/levels.
He also..recognized..the major place..of the religious-spirit..in his schema...His/archetypes..were also..meaningful concepts.

But his..major error lay..in regarding/the deepest
level..of the unconscious..as shared..in terms of CONTENT.
The deepest..level of the/unconscious.is shared as..an ABILITY.

As MIRACLE-MINDEDNESS,..the content,..(or the/particular.miracles which..an individual happens..to perform)..does not matter..at all.
The content..of the miracle-level..is not recorded..in the individual’s..unconscious,..because if it were,..it would..*not be automatic and involuntary,..which we have said/repeatedly it should be.

However,..the content..IS a matter for the record,
which..is NOT..within the individual..himself.

All psychoanalysts..made one common error,..in that
they attempted..to uncover..unconscious CONTENT...You cannot understand.unconscious activity..in these terms,..because “content” is..applicable ONLY to..the more superficial..unconscious levels..to which/..the individual..*himself contributes.

This is the level..at which he..can readily
introduce fear,..and usually does...Freud was right..in calling this level..pre-conscious,..and emphasizing..that there..is a..fairly easy interchange..between preconscious..and conscious material.

He was also..right..in regarding.the censor/as an agent
for..the protection of consciousness..from fear...HIS/major error..lay in his insistence..that this level.is necessary at all..in the psychic-structure.

If the psyche..contains fearful/levels..from which..it
cannot escape..without splitting,..its..integration
is..permanently threatened...It is essential..not
to control..the fearful,..but to ELIMINATE it.

Here,..Rank’s concept[of the will]..was particularly good,
except that..he preferred to..ally it..only with man’s.own truly creative ability,..but..did/not..extend it..to its..proper-union..with God’s.

His..“birth trauma”,..another valid idea,..was also..too limited,
in..that..it did not/refer to..the Separation,..which was really a FALSE/idea..of birth...Physical birth..is not a/trauma.in itself.

It can,..however,..remind..the individual..of the Separation,
which..was a/very real..cause of fear.

The idea..of..“will-THERAPY”..was potentially..a very powerful one,
Posted by one under god, Monday, 21 October 2013 7:42:07 PM
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oh/well..the concept..goes on..[lamb-island/thread]
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6040&page=0

saving life..by..redefining..*death
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15557&page=0

so..what would..jesus/rule..look like..
[when it..becomes on..earth..as it..*is in..heaven]..

for..one...money goes..and people..live.only on...their earned-life-credit..[as you..gave...so..shall you receive..but skip..free-styling..on/with..the edit..page..62]

The idea.of,.,“will-THERAPY”..was potentially./a very powerful..one, but..Rank did..not/see..its real..potential..the unfortunate..acceptance of..the deprivation-fallacy,
which itself..arose from..the Separation...

This..led him..to believe/errantly..that his..own mind-creation..could stand only*..if..the creation..of..another’s fell...again..incorrect.

In..consequence,..his theory..emphasized/rather..than
minimized..the two/edged..nature of..divisive..karmic/defenses.

This..is an..outstanding/characteristic..of his concepts,..because it
was..outstandingly true..of him...He also.misinterpreted the birth-trauma ..in a way..that made it inevitable..for him...to/attempt a therapy whose..goal was..to ABOLISH FEAR.

This..is..characteristic..of all later theorists,
who..do not..attempt,..as Freud did,..to split off..the fear..in his own form..of therapy...No one..as yet..has fully recognized..either the therapeutic..*value of fear,..or the only..way in..which it/can be..truly ended.

When man..miscreates,..he IS..in pain.
The cause..and/effect principle..here..is temporarily..a real expeditor.

Actually,..Cause is..a term properly/belonging..to God,..
and Effect,..which should..also be..capitalized,..is HIS Sonship.
This..entails..a set of cause..and effect/relationships..which are totally/different..from those which/man introduced..into the..personalized-Miscreation.[illusory/injurious]

The fundamental..opponents.in..the real/basic conflict..are Creation and miscreation...*All fear..is implicit..in the second,..just as..all love..is inherent..with-in..the first...Because of..this
difference,..the basic conflict..IS one between..love ..and fear.

LET THAT..BE CLEAR*
the base/conflict=between..LOVE/\fear

So..much,/then,..for the..true nature..of
the major opponents..in the..basic conflict...
Since/all such theories..lead to a form..of therapy..in which a re-distribution..of psychic energy/results,..it is necessary**next

*to consider..OUR concept..of libido
next...In this respect,..Freud was/more accurate..than
his followers,..who were..essentially..more wishful...than applicable.

Energy..will/must..CAN emanate..from...both Creation and miscreation,..dependent..on the..initiating-force..of..mind..
of..the original-projection..of the..intensity..[of emotive emission]..enacting..its belief..as informing form..

and.the particular..ratio between/them..at a given
point..in time..DOES determine behavior..at that time...as much as after

If miscreation..did NOT..engender/energy..in its own right,
it would be..unable to produce..destructive behavior,..which it very
patently..DOES...Everything that..man creates..IS ENERGy..has energy because,..like the..ENERGIZED_Creation..of God,..they..(it/he/we)
come..FROM energy,..and remain..allways..ENERGY..according to..the form..the energy per-forms..informs

and..each..are endowed..by..our..creator..with the power..to create.
Miscreation..is still..a genuine creative..act..in terms of.the underlying IMPULSE,..*but..NOT in terms..of the CONTENT..of the creation.[E}

This,..however,..does not..deprive the..creation..of its OWN creative power...It DOES,..however,..GUARANTEE..that the power[uses]....will..be misused,..or ab-USED FEARFULLY.

To deny this..is merely..the previously/mentioned..fallacy..of depreciation...Although/Freud made..a number of fallacies..of his own,..yet..he DID avoid..this one..in connection with..with libido.

The/later-day..theorists..denied..the..split-energy\concept,
not..by attempting..to heal it,...but..by reinterpreting/it..instead of..redistributing it.

This placed..them in..\the illogical/..position..of assuming
that..the split/which their-therapies..were..intended..to heal.had not occurred...The result..of this.approach..is..essentially..a form..of mass/hypnosis.[peer-presure]

This..is quite..different..from Freud’s approach,
which..merely ended..in/a deadlocked..stasis...

A..similar..deadlock/stasis..paralysis-affectation....occurs..when both..the/power..of\Creation..and of..\mis/-creation..co-exist...

[the\two-masters/..rule]..
[real../v\..delusional*]

[lie..may lie..within/error..
but..let..the dead..tend..the dead]
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 22 October 2013 7:31:44 AM
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without delay...continued from
lamb/isl/succesion-threat
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6040&page=0

It is..worth repeating..that ultimately..there is no compromise possible between..everything and nothing...The purpose of time is essentially a device by which all..compromise in this respect can be abolished.

It seems to be abolished by degrees precisely..because time itself involves a concept of intervals which does not really exist.

The faulty/use of creation has made.this necessary as a corrective device...“And God so loved the world..that He gave his only begotten Son.so that whosoever..believeth..on Him shall/not perish*

but..have Eternal Life”
needs only one slight correction..to be
entirely meaningful in this context...It should read

“And God so loved the world that
he gave it..TO His only begotten Son.”

It should be noted that God
HAS begotten only..*ONE Son.

If you believe.that all of
the Souls..that God created..ARE His Son,..and if you also
believe..that..you..and his Sunship..*is One,..*then every Soul..*MUST be..a Sun/light..of God ,..or an integral part .of the Sonship.

we are enjoined..living-MORTAL-HEIRS..
of all..of our immortal/eternal fathers estates

CUSODIAN-ship*
wartd-ship

that ye..do to..the least..we do..to the most.

You do not..find..the concept
that the whole..is greater than its parts..too..difficult..to understand.>?

You should..therefore not have..too great difficulty..with this.

The/Son-ship in its Oneness..
DOES transcend..the sum of its parts...However,
it loses this special-state..as long as..*any of its parts are missing.

This is why..the conflict cannot..ultimately be
resolved..UNTIL..the sum/all..of the individual parts..of the Sonship have returned...*Only then,..in the/true sense,[spirit-of/the word.. can..the meaning of..wholeness..be understood.[atonement[at_one_meant]

The concept of..minus numbers
has always been..regarded..as a mathematical..rather/than an actual expedient...(This is a major limitation..on mathematics..as presently
understood.).

Any statement which..implies degrees..of difference
*in negation..is essentially..meaningless...
[where..is your..debt..paid-in-full?]

What..can replace..this negative
approach..*is a recognition..of the fact that..

as..long..as one part..(which is the same as...a million or ten or eight millions..of thousand parts)..of the..Sonship is missing,..

*!*>..it is..NOT complete./*!*\

In the..Divine psyche,..the Father.and the Holy Spirit
are not incomplete at all. The..Sonship has..*the unique faculty..of believing in error,..or incompleteness,

\*!*/..if he so selects...\*!*/

http://miraclevision.com/acim/urtext/acim-urtext-2003-upe-ready-edition.pdf

read..it..
he will know..
look at each word..as if..a whole sentence..in mimd pictures

sentience..the..christ..is listening..

now what?

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Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 22 October 2013 1:11:34 PM
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now wot?
awake..the sleepers

i..dont see..how killing..any beast,,[unless..to eat][to live]..
why..'live''..unless..your works..arnt..bettering..all living?

is..it..worth
this..libel/label...of..a beastly killer
knowing/nuthin..and dun/less.

[remember..to collude..or condone..ANY..murder..is the same guilt..morally..as well as....under mens law]

the law..of thou.,.shalt not MURDER*
[the law has no*..*sub-clause..get it?]

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6065&page=0

THERE..are..no..sub-being's..all life..IS SACRED
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6040&page=0

not for..the life..its being..but..by the love..
our/father/creator,who..&is,sustaining..it too..its living

[and..by..the vile..life..that..is living..WE KNOW..he dont judge[..proven/by]...even/the vile...he yet sustains..them too..their living

reincarnation..if need/be..[in..the best.body..we..can..wish[envision]..for..some...of us..are just..less imaginative..others reach..for the stars.[chose..becoming..even/as..the suns..of..the sun..in/heaven]

but..the law..begins/ends..with
dont..murder..any living-one

[bu..no-one..is
without..this sin..of murder
[even if..by ignorance..they..murder 2000..living/soy-seeds..
in..multiple/alkaline-baths..,,just-to..make/fake-milk..for..a lattee'

murder..is yet..murder

thats/why..even..vego's..should..pray4..their-prey..
pray..over..their food..for that..which was murded..just
so..you could..live/off..ya soy/corpses..life-blood..[the..very life juice..[vampireisms..come/to..mind]

we..are..*all=energy..some..in/thinking-mind/form's
others..as..auto-reactive/beasts..others..sleeping..as..if/plant

[the/sleepers..really believed..life..death..*then nothing
its..a way..we use to..help/make..them awake..[i guess..by baking them..[murded-seeds]..in an..oven..helps them..to spiritually awake..hopefully..into a..higher/life-form..

if/not..the energy..exchange systems..move..your life..energy..ever on..further on..[de-evolution]

let/me..relate..the..gold-fish/toad..parable
for..your/edification..[cause education..is resisted]

edited
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6065&page=0

anyhow..one day the..fish..were gone..
and all..i..had left..was string..upon string..of cane-toad/eggs
seems..a hungry..cane-toad..somehow..*found..the energy..[from/eating the..saved-fish..to create..yet more..life-forms..[homes..for spirit]

5/fish..became..over..a thousand..cane toads
but in many stages..some matured really fast..and.moved-on
the others stayed and stayed..grew/fat..but..left somehow.very quickly..once..i got..bored..with/the..lesson..it seems..spirit..is needing..the..morphiousus/form..more than..the metamorphose/the..5 fish

suggestion..is take..our brothers..into protective custody
use..the/land..to feed...*all..of us.

you/greenies..r..being conned..big-time
by.;that/.lot.that uses..beastly GAMES..to/keep..us
from-what..men,..must..in-time..become..

the/caretaker[brothers-keeper]...you
take care..of others..we..take care..of you..2

[ps..watch-out..for large..hatchings..
you..know..what/that..means]

BUT..we..get/better..than we earned
anyhow..a pond..need's/care
so..i..put in..more-fish..[or else..the/only bodies available..to..evolving-spirits..would be mosque'itos..[the/blood sukking-type]..

not..the educative..of jesus/message..kind
at..least/mahamoud..[may peace..be upon..all..of/gods..many messengers]

anyhow..the mosque-kind..of ..kind-mind..
at..least got..the/law..pure..[of..no imagery..
no..eating/flesh..drinking/blood..
as..true-mosque-eato$..do

anyhow..it..needs be..spelled out
dis-spelled..the myth..that.life energy..can expire

ENERGY....CANNOT BE..CREATED>>NOR..DESTROYED
there..can..only/be..endless
seemingly..new beginnings..just as..there is..ENDLESS rebirth

that..was/not..a new parable
but.an..important/one..comes to..mind

men..kill..elders..
[attack those..of wisdom..of age]
the..older..the/tree..the older..the sleepy/spirit..embodied..in-it;s..new-form..

better..than..its..own/works..EARNED*

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15257&page=0
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